"So we can look at, for example, Old Irish, where they said tó to mean yes" Really? In modern Irish we substitute Tá for yes but it's not really yes. We don't have yes or no, we repeat the verb of the question positively or negatively. Tá is kind of 'am', níl 'am not' like "Are you going to watch Mrs Browns Boys tonight?" "I am not." Are they really comparable? Maybe somewhere along the line Tá (pronounced 'taw') was…
Words for “yes” in Romance languages
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Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A couple summers ago at the pool I heard a teenage girl exclaim “poned!” after besting her friend at something they were playing. It took me a moment to realize she’d just said “pwned” since I’d never heard it said out loud before and in my mind I’ve always read it “owned.” Now that was a “get off my lawn moment!” That pronunciation was popularized by the famous South Park episode on World of Warcraft [1] [2] which…
I'd go with the all time great Canadian Gamer show: PurePwnage, from 2004, as the popularizer of the spoken term. Though it goes back to at least 1999 with the original CounterStrike and the term in text, then read aloud. I remember the shouts of 'pone' in the afterschool computer lounge from friends to at least 1999, if not earlier. http://www.purepwnage.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Pwnage https://en.wiki…
Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
In a world where pointing out that pure facts such as that Chicago has already had 200 gun homicides this year with its strict gun control laws will get you labelled as a white supremacist, I'd definitely like people to chill out, but alas, no.
As I said, context is important, and other people might perceive your intent incorrectly, depending on your choice of words, and your timing. People should not give a knee-jerk reaction without some effort to understand you, but if you ever feel you are misunderstood you should simply say so, and clarify what you mean. That way, people won't mistake you for a white supremacist.
Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I said, context is important, and other people might perceive your intent incorrectly, depending on your choice of words, and your timing. People should not give a knee-jerk reaction without some effort to understand you, but if you ever feel you are misunderstood you should simply say so, and clarify what you mean. That way, people won't mistake you for a white supremacist.
How about the 2 downvotes my comment, (immediate parent of this comment of yours) received ? Think there was some bad context? Just proves me right.
It is difficult for others to determine your intent without you providing additional context. That you are reporting a fact is immaterial - the question in others' minds will be why you are reporting that fact, because they are trying to understand what you are trying to show with it. As I said in a previous comment, context and intent are important, and if you are unwilling to provide those yourself, you have to accept that people may misunderstand you. Complaining about those misunderstandings is not constructive, you should simply try and clarify your position.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've become increasingly interested in how people become offended recently. Offence tends to be bound up in notions of identity, and I think the way people offend and become offended is increasingly a factor in a world becoming more polarised. Would you be able to expand a little on your feelings? Would you expect people from other cultures mentioned in the article to be similarly offended? I'm not asking you to just…
It might not be cultural offence the GP is referring to, but imprecise language in an article about language. "because they’re on some Slavic shit." Did Romania at some point get invaded by some other Slav people, is it merely Slavic language osmosis between cross-border dialects? If the casus belli for US entry into WW2 was referred to as "Some shit the Japanese pulled" in a piece about history, wouldn't that give y…
Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I can google myself thank you very much. Your inability to speak or to read properly makes me really doubt your general premises, because neither had anyone talked about ob and you didn't explain the relation to the thread either, nor did you notice my precaution to note that I the theory for oil from the article might still be valid. Instead you seem to have come panting and frothing from the mouth as soon as…
> To repeat, what's "ob" have to do with this? Ob is the prefix that combined with cado to produce occido, which is the origin of occident. The assimilation of the b to the initial consonant of the other verb is something that's been seen in a large number of other cases. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Latin_words_prefixed...
> All of these have been traced back to Proto-Indo-European and have different origins:
that could be taken to mean that the PIE terms have different roots or no roots at all.
"ob" and "eu" go back to * h₁epi- and * h₁es- ... and evidently obs-, obc- is frequent so there's the assumption that * h₁epis > * h₁epi- must (might) have been a thing; while you already noted that loss of b before a consonant is a thing, so that * h₁ebs- > * h₁es- were not too unlikely either. Even closer now, I'll stop there.
But to think that terms as basic and simple as "yes" would be innovations instead of variations of varieties that existed for millennia, warrants a lot of doubt. Just pointing at a few made up roots doesn't impress anyone, really.
Historical linguistics is clinging to the "single mother" hypothesis. It's a useful abstraction, but as programmers we should know better. Simply speaking, it appears to me that the sheer amount of material to work with is too intimidating to researchers (manually) to even attempt to favor the assumption of chaos. So if it can't be supported by historic artifacts it's labeled mere coincidence. And reliable artifacts are sparse. So everything is uncertain. OK, I don't actually know much about the archeology, but as far as I know, Celtic and Germanic is generally not well preserved as text. I agree, I guess, the threshold to validate a claim is rather high. And I do err at times, quite trivially. Perhaps that's why I present my argument as a joke. But the threshold counts all the same against falsification. You can't just arm chair a "nope" like that. That was really inconsiderate.
Instead of roots, take a step back and consider basic semantics. What's closer to yes: "true, good, to be, " or "that, there"?
And for a region, that happens to lie in the west of roma, what's more likely to be it's name "west" or "the country in which they say oc"?
Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#157I personally find the use of single word "This." in reply to a comment on forums (such as e.g. HN) really annoying. (But then again, I've reached an age where you tend to find everything new awful.) I guess the reason why it pisses me off is that it doesn't do anything that "Yes.", "Exactly.", "I agree" couldn't already do, but at the same time it has this overly sweet smell of kool-aid that just makes you sick.
For me the worst offender is /thread
+1
This
Yes
/sarc
Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#158Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd go with the all time great Canadian Gamer show: PurePwnage, from 2004, as the popularizer of the spoken term. Though it goes back to at least 1999 with the original CounterStrike and the term in text, then read aloud. I remember the shouts of 'pone' in the afterschool computer lounge from friends to at least 1999, if not earlier. http://www.purepwnage.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Pwnage https://en.wiki…
I don't dispute the pronunciation as 'poned' goes back further, but I'm saying that South Park popularized it. PurePwnage uses the pronunciation 'owned', right?
Re: Words for “yes” in Romance languages
#160I personally find the use of single word "This." in reply to a comment on forums (such as e.g. HN) really annoying. (But then again, I've reached an age where you tend to find everything new awful.) I guess the reason why it pisses me off is that it doesn't do anything that "Yes.", "Exactly.", "I agree" couldn't already do, but at the same time it has this overly sweet smell of kool-aid that just makes you sick.
To me, "This." is stronger than "Yes.", "Exactly.", etc. In my opinion, "This." means that you not only agree with the previous comments, but you could have made it yourself. It has a connotation of "This is the full answer", "This is it, you don't even need to read further below", "This is exactly the same thing I would have said". I might be making the connotations up, though, it's not like there is a dictionary co…