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Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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I disagree with a lot of what you wrote, but I think the most obvious one is - this exact argument can be used to show that you must believe in the Hindu gods. Or in Islam. Or in Mormonism. Or in any of a number of other (mutually exclusive) religions.

What makes you think any particular God is the right one?

Edit: cleared up the language to make the point clearer.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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I’m reminded of “Strong Opinons, Weakly Held”:

I’ve been pretty obsessed about the difference between smart people and wise people for years. I tried to write a book called “The Attitude of Wisdom” a couple times. And the virtues of wise people – those who have the courage to act on their knowledge, but the humility to doubt what they know – is one of the main themes in Hard Facts. We show how leaders including Xerox’s Ann Mulcahy, Intel’s Any Grove, Harrah’s Gary Loveman, and IDEO’s David Kelley turn this attitude into organizational action. Perhaps the best description I’ve ever seen of how wise people act comes from the amazing folks at Palo Alto’s Institute for the Future. A couple years ago, I was talking the Institute’s Bob Johansen about wisdom, and he explained that – to deal with an uncertain future and still move forward – they advise people to have “strong opinions, which are weakly held.” They've been giving this advice for years, and I understand that it was first developed by Instituite Director Paul Saffo. Bob explained that weak opinions are problematic because people aren’t inspired to develop the best arguments possible for them, or to put forth the energy required to test them. Bob explained that it was just as important, however, to not be too attached to what you believe because, otherwise, it undermines your ability to “see” and “hear” evidence that clashes with your opinions. This is what psychologists sometimes call the problem of “confirmation bias.”

http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinio...

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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I don’t know if a god exists or not, but I feel pretty confident that it wouldn’t be the puerile and judgmental, contradictory, oh-so-Human prick described in Abrahamic religions. Hopefully any creator is going to recognize the many limitations of its creations, and if not, good luck guessing its whims.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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post #31
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I disagree with a lot of what you wrote, but I think the most obvious one is - this exact argument can be used to show that you must believe in the Hindu gods. Or in Islam. Or in Mormonism. Or in any of a number of other (mutually exclusive) religions. What makes you think any particular God is the right one? Edit: cleared up the language to make the point clearer.

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Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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I’m agnostic. I was raised in a relatively strict, traditional Roman Catholic family. At age 18, I embraced a strong atheist stance, influenced by the books by Hitchens and Dawkins being published around that time. Eventually my interest in this stance lessened. However, I dislike this “act of faith” line of reasoning and find it disingenuous. In the Roman Catholic tradition, believing is an act of faith. There isn’t…

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Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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Good advice, albeit hard to accomplish. Identity is a core part of political party formation, at least in Europe (together with self-interest and ideology). No doubt it has an important role in marketing as well. I don't see these forces giving up on pulling the identity lever any time soon, it seems to gain importance if anything. However, perceived identity coupled with a sense of oppression, exceptionalism and/or…

But apparently fear of extinction doesn't lead people to leave their cars at home or to waste less...

Seems like the only reactions these fears cause are misguided and radical ones.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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I disagree with a lot of what you wrote, but I think the most obvious one is - this exact argument can be used to show that you must believe in the Hindu gods. Or in Islam. Or in Mormonism. Or in any of a number of other (mutually exclusive) religions. What makes you think any particular God is the right one? Edit: cleared up the language to make the point clearer.

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You're right -I cleared up the language. I don't mean your God, I mean, believing in any specific God.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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One major way that identity corrupts arguments is when people ignore or excuse the flaws and weaknesses their position. When you hold others to a different standard than you hold yourself and your allies, it destroys the trust that is essential to a fruitful exchange of ideas. So "not responding from identity" requires more than just being even-keeled and emotionally detached from the argument. It requires acknowledg…

I’ve found that taking some time away from the argument can help all parties involved come to terms with what you’re describing. Its can be difficult to do, and some time away from the scrum gives you a chance to replay the argument in your mind without having to defend your position.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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I guess we're all just Reactionaries right now.

At least we aren't Angularies, those apostates and heathens.

Apologies for not contributing anything meaningful to the overall discussion here... but this is one of the best things I've read all day.
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