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Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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As a counterpoint, it's entirely possible that avoiding identifying with anything also cuts off a massive range of psychological states, meaning that you may not become as empathic as other people, and thus have fewer ideas, or at least ideas of a different sort.

The ultimate trick would be to identify with everything. Hopefully a brain-computer interface might make that sort of experience possible in the future.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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I think when he talks about "identity" what he really means is unquestioning allegiances, preventing purely merit-based objective discussions on some issues. IOW when you have an angle in it, when you're in a discussion not to get to the truth of the matter, but to achieve certain goals you have, to influence others, to push them in a direction that is favorable to you (without being conscious of it, otherwise you're…

You did good for pointing that out. Having formless, warm and fuzzy opinions adds little to the table, and makes for rather boring conversation.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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When in the history has this "boxing" of oneself started?

Maybe other cultures don't surround the consciusness with so much fluff, like "I'm a valedictorian from the Yale class of 2010 and I work at Goldman and play polo". Or "I'm a Lenin follower and everyone should bow to international marxism".

I think eg. the Chinese take on this is more about the family or something. Any pointers?

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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Even though it's unknowable, science prefers simplicity. As scientist we should prefer the model of the world with the fewest number of assumptions. The existence of something is more complex than non-existence (which is the default). If we could explain the world without a god just as well as with one then there is no reason to go for the more complex theory. That is especially true in e.g. the Christian sense of god, which comes with a ton more assumptions.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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Good advice, albeit hard to accomplish. Identity is a core part of political party formation, at least in Europe (together with self-interest and ideology). No doubt it has an important role in marketing as well. I don't see these forces giving up on pulling the identity lever any time soon, it seems to gain importance if anything.

However, perceived identity coupled with a sense of oppression, exceptionalism and/or fear of extinction is what always gets us in trouble (i.e. war), so there are a number of good reasons to keep tight reins on identity.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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It sounds like what you're talking about is Pascals Wager[0]

The idea being that belief in God pays of well if true. And is alright if false. Disbelief in God pays off poorly if true, and alright if false. Therefore, any logical person ought to be a Christian, since the consequences of belief are net positive either way. Or so the thought goes.

As a person of faith, I will say that this thought experiment is fairly flawed. For one, you must apply Pascals wager to all faith systems simultaneously if you want to be sure you get the best outcome. But of course, it's not equally likely that Pastafarianism is the one true way as is Buddhism as is Atheism. How do you weight the possibilities in such a way to do an honest analysis? These things are based on what you believe already - so then the question of what to believe becomes recursive, really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for the reason described in the essay: more people have identified either with it or against it. Once being a JS programmer becomes a thing you are or aren't , people are arguing about themselves.

I guess we're all just Reactionaries right now.

At least we aren't Angularies, those apostates and heathens.

Re: Keep your Identity Small (2009)

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It sounds like what you're talking about is Pascals Wager[0] The idea being that belief in God pays of well if true. And is alright if false. Disbelief in God pays off poorly if true, and alright if false. Therefore, any logical person ought to be a Christian, since the consequences of belief are net positive either way. Or so the thought goes. As a person of faith, I will say that this thought experiment is fairly f…

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