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Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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The author cries about being not able to boot from the USB stick and that his ColorHug2 might be broken.

Also that only GNOME appears to have color management. XFCE and KDE seem to be lacking in that regard.

It appears that KDE could do much better without any actual effort. Just merge the existing code into the base packages like GNOME did, don't make it optional.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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Many of my (Hollywood) clients need to do color grading and other accurate color work.

What platforms do they all use? Not Macintosh, despite its reputation for being the platform for "graphics professionals" (it was missing 10 bit/channel color until very recently). And not Linux, despite its use in render farms.

They use Windows 10 and HP DreamColor monitors. That's the only platform that works and works well for people who need to care about color.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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Not everyone is a developer, and this type of comments is why everyone that cares about UI/UX design professionally, eventually goes back to Windows or macOS.

That type of comment is also the underlying reason why Linux improves/fixes things at such an astronomical rate compared to either of the choices you listed. It's not just saying "Hey you, go fix that." , it's saying "Hey everyone viewing this comment on a public page : this exists and needs to be fixed. Someone grab a wrench."

Yet the two most successfully desktop experiences among common users, based on Linux, don't expose any details of its eco-system. Quite telling.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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He wrote a pretty detailed blog article explaining his issues and how he got around them, this is all very useful information to someone who is looking to do something similar. Spending €100 also isn't an insignificant amount, and for that price I would expect what I'm buying to work properly.

I don't understand that attitude, that's a pretty low price for a niche open hardware device.

Many people would like to see open hardware succeed, so they get annoyed when they watch yet another open hardware company sell a broken product, which inevitably leads to bankruptcy, and then starts the “Linux will never work out of the box” cycle anew.

We’ve seen this play out dozens of times since the ‘90s, and the startups keep making the same mistakes.

They should at least read their predecessors retrospectives, and strive to make different mistakes.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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He wrote a pretty detailed blog article explaining his issues and how he got around them, this is all very useful information to someone who is looking to do something similar. Spending €100 also isn't an insignificant amount, and for that price I would expect what I'm buying to work properly.

I don't understand that attitude, that's a pretty low price for a niche open hardware device.

It's not. An Eizo EX3 sells for 85 bucks here, a Spyder 5 for 95. A ColorHug2 amounts to 115. Since the ColorHug2 doesn't include the actual calibration software, it is equal to the EX3. Paying 35% more just for the "Open Hardware" label and then not being able to reap the expected benefits (better support etc.) doesn't sound like a good deal.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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The Linux community will attempt to solve the problem by attempting to create an entirely new color management system, which will get at best 80% done with a handful of outstanding Hard bugs, at least one of which will be bad enough to break the entire thing except on one specific distro/gui/hardware combination.

...and it'll be difficult to turn off for those not in the professions named in the other comments here which require accurate colour, using monitors with smaller gamuts, and would much prefer to have the "raw", "unmanaged" behaviour.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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What attitude? Paying for something and then expecting it to actually work?

The attitude that the cost gap between products in the same category will not be accounted for elsewhere in the user experience or product quality. tl;dr : you get what you pay for.

Cost gap? You mean, the ColorHug being more expensive than the other alternatives which work better?

Ok, but I'm not sure how that explains it. You'll need to go into more detail.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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The Linux community will attempt to solve the problem by attempting to create an entirely new color management system, which will get at best 80% done with a handful of outstanding Hard bugs, at least one of which will be bad enough to break the entire thing except on one specific distro/gui/hardware combination.

...and it'll be difficult to turn off for those not in the professions named in the other comments here which require accurate colour, using monitors with smaller gamuts, and would much prefer to have the "raw", "unmanaged" behaviour.

What does “unmanaged” even mean? Anyone should strive to have as accurate colors as possible.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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Many of my (Hollywood) clients need to do color grading and other accurate color work. What platforms do they all use? Not Macintosh, despite its reputation for being the platform for "graphics professionals" (it was missing 10 bit/channel color until very recently). And not Linux, despite its use in render farms. They use Windows 10 and HP DreamColor monitors. That's the only platform that works and works well for p…

Every large visual effects studio runs on linux, with hundreds of linux workstations at each one. Color sensitive work like lighting and compositing has been done for well over a decade on linux. Artist workstations are calibrated and every major computer graphics application has support for look up tables.

Re: Open Source Color Management Is Broken

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Many of my (Hollywood) clients need to do color grading and other accurate color work. What platforms do they all use? Not Macintosh, despite its reputation for being the platform for "graphics professionals" (it was missing 10 bit/channel color until very recently). And not Linux, despite its use in render farms. They use Windows 10 and HP DreamColor monitors. That's the only platform that works and works well for p…

After reading this Linux rant and seeing how Apple is systematically marginalising its Pro customers, I'm actually inclined to believe you. Windows might be a pain for John Doe sometimes, but Microsoft also makes sure an insane amount of obscure professional features (like color management) keep working.
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