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UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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Germany’s Post Office built and used ~2,000 custom-built electric delivery trucks in 2016 and deployed ~10.000 per year since 2017. UPS’s 50 seems very low for 2018 in comparison. One article about them: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-24/even-germ... They are called StreetScooter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StreetScooter

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Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pilot run of 50. Think of them as prototypes. They will use what they learn from these prototypes to build a larger fleet. If they can make these purchase price competitive with their current trucks it will be a huge win.

Meanwhile DHL/Streetscooter has already sold at least a few hundred of these.

Streetscooter's volume is 4 cubic meters, a single UPS truck is closer to 20 cubic meters.

Saying they should just use Streetscooters is like telling a family of 5 to use a motorcycle.

Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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Germany’s Post Office built and used ~2,000 custom-built electric delivery trucks in 2016 and deployed ~10.000 per year since 2017. UPS’s 50 seems very low for 2018 in comparison. One article about them: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-24/even-germ... They are called StreetScooter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StreetScooter

I can't help but notice that the StreetScooter is significantly smaller than a typical UPS truck. It looks in the size range of a Ford Transit Connect, while most UPS trucks are Utilimaster curb vans that are something like 25' in length. I suspect that the balance of vehicle size and mileage might make this kind of adoption rather difficult for UPS - I live in a city, but not a very dense one, where I'm pretty confi…

In at least some parts of Germany they're more likely to encounter narrow streets where the typical US brown UPS truck might have real difficulty navigating.

I also suspect that the routes are shorter than you might think, because there are a lot of stops and they are not moving all that fast for most of the trip. I suspect most UPS trucks probably average well under 25 miles per hour for most of their travel which would put an 8 hour day around 200 miles. In denser areas like cities it could be significantly less than that. If a truck makes a 1-minute stop to toss a package on your porch then drives half a mile in another minute and repeats, it's still only covering 15 miles and 30 packages an hour.

I wouldn't be surprised if UPS trucks within cities tended to be below 50 miles/day most of the time, and since they control driving routes very tightly they can easily put these trucks only on appropriate routes.

Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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It's a pity that the UK used to have a huge fleet of low-speed electric doorstep delivery trucks, devoted to milk and groceries; but they were all phased out just prior to the internet era.

...along with postmen on bicycles. The Royal Mail moved to hand pushed trolleys for health and safety reasons.

I imagine how good that bike fleet would be today if they added electric assistance. Sure bicycles might not be great for the final mile delivery of someone's Amazon order of 50litres of mineral water but that is the point.

Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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They'll need this in Europe. Lots of cities are clamping down on pollution.

They already have that. In Germany, mail is delivered by custom-made electric vehicles (streetScooter) and at least in London, UPS already uses electric trucks for delivery.

Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile DHL/Streetscooter has already sold at least a few hundred of these.

Streetscooter's volume is 4 cubic meters, a single UPS truck is closer to 20 cubic meters. Saying they should just use Streetscooters is like telling a family of 5 to use a motorcycle.

Different markets have different requirements. The DHL streetscooters are a massive success and are drawing interest / demand from many companies outside of DHL. They kickstarted this when no major manufacturer was willing / able to provide them a solution. The platform seems to be scalable and will be able to provide bigger hulls as well. And they are somehow battle tested now as not all was smooth sailing after launch - as could be expected. The whole white / brown / yellow van users will be the first to jump on EVs for many reasons. Remember that in Germany the federal administrative court will rule on (partial) bans of diesel vehicles in cities...

Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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When EVs advertize 100 mile range, that means in the best conditions. Heavy loads would reduce that. Cold weather itself can make your range worse, and additionally any kind of heating or AC will reduce range further. I recently purchased an EV with a "100 mile range," and it so far hasn't achieved higher than a 70 mile range, given the cold weather, even with 100% charge, no climate control, and no real load. Turn o…

Tesla seems to be the only company nowadays invested in developing an actually good electric vehicles I never understood why the other car companies insist in producing crappy EV products and yet so expensive for what they are worth.

I wouldn't recommend buying an EV that is not Tesla.

Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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It's a pity that the UK used to have a huge fleet of low-speed electric doorstep delivery trucks, devoted to milk and groceries; but they were all phased out just prior to the internet era.

...along with postmen on bicycles. The Royal Mail moved to hand pushed trolleys for health and safety reasons. I imagine how good that bike fleet would be today if they added electric assistance. Sure bicycles might not be great for the final mile delivery of someone's Amazon order of 50litres of mineral water but that is the point.

German post uses both electric pushcarts and electric bicycles...

Re: UPS is working on a fleet of 50 custom-built electric delivery trucks

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In The Netherlands, DHL uses bikes : http://www.dhl.com/en/press/releases/releases_2014/express/d... I absolutely hate DHL as a recipient in NL, but this is pretty cool. They have other green vehicles too ( gas, electric ).

What do you think about the Picnic delivery trucks?

Background: I work at Picnic, an online supermarket in the Netherlands, and we have a large fleet of small electric trucks for delivering in cities and neighborhoods.

https://i.imgur.com/Howtq17.jpg

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