Google AMP Is a Threat to the Open Web • Hacker News Board

Re: Google AMP Is a Threat to the Open Web

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Post by hungerstrike » Thu, Feb 22, 2018, 3:03 PM UTC

beojan wrote: post #73

hungerstrike wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Whataboutism isn't when someone complains that Y is bad too. It's when someone asks why you're complaining about X given Y is similar in some way.

I know exactly what it is, thanks.

What I'm saying is that each normal conversational mechanic doesn't deserve an "ism" just because you think it's "a bad thing".

It's perfectly normal to add perspective by saying "what about X" in a conversation, which is what this site is here for. This is not a structured debate for crying out loud! People can make your comment disappear without even having to prove anything!

Re: Google AMP Is a Threat to the Open Web

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Post by ksk » Thu, Feb 22, 2018, 5:33 PM UTC

oldcynic wrote: post #66

mrtksn wrote: post #5

I think it's very important to address the reason why AMP is possible in the first place: Websites are so extremely slow these days. From users perspective, when I see the lightning icon on my search results I feel happy because it means that the page will show me it's contents as soon as I click it. It means that the website is not going to show me white page for 15 seconds then start jumping around, changing shape…

Google should be penalising the actual problem - page weight, not building their walled garden. So encouraging speed is ok to a point. Do they stop there and create AMP because Google is so invested in their ad ecosystem? Serious question, as it's hard not to feel cynical when the solution appears to avoid the actual problem. AMP seems a way of actively avoiding the issue. It's so far beyond ridiculous that a website…

If they did that, then all websites with ads will be deprioritized, and it would be obvious (if it weren't already) that ads create a shitty experience. Google probably doesn't want to highlight that.

Re: Google AMP Is a Threat to the Open Web

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Post by OnlyRepliesToBS » Fri, Feb 23, 2018, 5:00 AM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #5

I think it's very important to address the reason why AMP is possible in the first place: Websites are so extremely slow these days. From users perspective, when I see the lightning icon on my search results I feel happy because it means that the page will show me it's contents as soon as I click it. It means that the website is not going to show me white page for 15 seconds then start jumping around, changing shape…

AMP is a pub/sub agreement to host content masking as a 'protocol'.

You're selling the feature of 'it's faster', but the POINT was 'Google hosts'.