Vaccines against addictive drugs push forward despite past failures
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#3Naltrexone is essentially a vaccine against both opioids and and alcohol. My recovered-alcoholic friend found that Naltrexone eliminated her ability to consume large amounts of alcohol. But she drank "to make it all go away", and Naltrexone didn't provide any relief for her emotional problems. She took herself off Naltrexone and drank herself into a 2-year prison sentence for her 3rd DUI. She tried to stay sober after getting released, but was unsuccessful because of her anger at her ex-husband (which I somewhat helped her release).
Gabor Maté [0] says that virtually 100% of his most-hopeless drug addict patients had experienced "adverse childhood experiences".
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16023802
Last month I met "Henry" - our mutual friend said he was trying to get off "Black" (black tar heroin). A while later Henry tagged along with us... Mutual friend disappeared for a bit. Henry told me how scared he was of Black... That he'd once gone to Mexico with his family, thought he took enough to get him through the week, but started to go into withdrawal at the end of the trip.
He also said how much he loves G (meth amphetamine), and that he'd tried to find some that day, but was unsuccessful. He then said, "A junky like me has to shoot something...", and said he'd used Black in the Taco Bell bathroom that afternoon, shortly before getting in my car.
I told him I thought my friend (whom I've mentioned here before) was predisposed to addiction on account of her being adopted. Henry immediately said that he was adopted -- that he was found in a dumpster at 4 months old, screaming his little heart out.
> But people struggling with addiction to cocaine or stimulants such as methamphetamine don’t have treatment options like these. They don’t exist.
I've read some studies that found that Naltrexone is also helpful for reducing people's stimulant use, and that the anti-psychotics (anti-dopamine drugs) cause people to use more cocaine/amphetamine.
Really there's no need for developing "vaccines" for "addictive drugs" - we have tools (naltrexone, the MAOIs, etc) that work well enough to address the reasons that people self-medicate with substances that cause long-term harm. Doctors just need to consider the full conditions of the person who can't limit their use of addictive substances to "recreation".
It would also help to stop teaching addicts to be helpless in jail.
This week I finally found the rest of a quote about 'feeling safe' that I've referenced for years [1]. Someone had asked about "ego" - the response was, "It's very important to develop an ego. When a person feels safe, the false-ego goes away."
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#5> Rather than activate the receptor, another drug called naltrexone blocks the receptor and can decrease cravings over time. Naltrexone is essentially a vaccine against both opioids and and alcohol. My recovered-alcoholic friend found that Naltrexone eliminated her ability to consume large amounts of alcohol. But she drank "to make it all go away", and Naltrexone didn't provide any relief for her emotional problems.…
Something else I'd point out is that science often goes through the trouble of finding paliative solutions rather than developing a fundamental understanding of the root causes.
If you don't tackle the root causes of addiction, they'll respawn identically or in the form of other addictions, in my opinion.
Re. your quote about the ego, I didn't quite get its meaning. Can you elaborate on it?
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#6> Rather than activate the receptor, another drug called naltrexone blocks the receptor and can decrease cravings over time. Naltrexone is essentially a vaccine against both opioids and and alcohol. My recovered-alcoholic friend found that Naltrexone eliminated her ability to consume large amounts of alcohol. But she drank "to make it all go away", and Naltrexone didn't provide any relief for her emotional problems.…
Interesting points. Something else I'd point out is that science often goes through the trouble of finding paliative solutions rather than developing a fundamental understanding of the root causes. If you don't tackle the root causes of addiction, they'll respawn identically or in the form of other addictions, in my opinion. Re. your quote about the ego, I didn't quite get its meaning. Can you elaborate on it?
It's much harder to fund "we have to completely rework our public health infrastructure" (in the US, at least), then "We can help save these lives in ".
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#8The vaccination approach, even if it's unlikely to succeed, I certainly hope that it does, as every opioid addict I've known has ended up in a battle that never actually stops. It becomes a life-long struggle.
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#9Source: self. Have used it, not for addiction, but know people who have, with unbelievable results.
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#10> Rather than activate the receptor, another drug called naltrexone blocks the receptor and can decrease cravings over time. Naltrexone is essentially a vaccine against both opioids and and alcohol. My recovered-alcoholic friend found that Naltrexone eliminated her ability to consume large amounts of alcohol. But she drank "to make it all go away", and Naltrexone didn't provide any relief for her emotional problems.…
Interesting points. Something else I'd point out is that science often goes through the trouble of finding paliative solutions rather than developing a fundamental understanding of the root causes. If you don't tackle the root causes of addiction, they'll respawn identically or in the form of other addictions, in my opinion. Re. your quote about the ego, I didn't quite get its meaning. Can you elaborate on it?
I think the "false ego" is when a person creates a sort of 'personality' that isn't based on reality. These are the people who are always bluffing/lying about their situation. In their world they make lots of money, they can kick your ass, etc.
When a person starts to "feel safe" (financially/emotionally/etc), their need to create an alternate-presentation ("false ego") goes away.
Another friend was picked on as a child. She was always fighting with everyone... Someone said that "fighting" was how she managed to survive her childhood. When she'd grown up fighting didn't help her anymore. She's since trained in martial arts, has enough of a rainy-day fund to get her through a pinch, and is making good progress on not having to fight with everyone all the time. (edit: "feeling safe" allows her to not have to fight with people.)