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Retiring Wave

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Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by chapill »

tux3 wrote: post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

That has a lot to do with the license. It should be more copyleft. Permissive licenses attract leeches who do nothing but complain to overworked contributors.

"Over the years, I've become convinced that the BSD license is great for code you don't care about" -- Linus Torvalds

https://www.cio.com/article/3112582/linux/linus-torvalds-say...

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by jrcii »

I invented the design for this protocol, Google stole it from me, and I have the digitally signed emails with Google to prove it. Not that anyone cares now.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by dvt »

Google Wave was really the spark that inspired me to "build a startup." With that said, it was a mess. It was a schizophrenic product that couldn't decide whether it was a developer platform or replacement for email. It had "everything" in the worst of ways.

It really was a Frankenstein; I distinctly remember threaded conversations that wouldn't collapse, weird and inconsistent results when contributing to the same "wave," and an interface that was honestly pretty awful (not to mention cramped on the screens of yesteryear). There's more: Google wanted to create a protocol but the tech was invite-only (???), it wanted to replace email but no one else adopted it. The whole thing made no sense.

But after watching the Google I/O talk, I was enthralled. I thought to myself "I bet I could build that!" And really, even if Google Wave failed horribly, it did contribute to the "real-time" web we all enjoy today.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by chapill »

squeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #20
tux3 wrote: post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

Next in line: Netbeans.

I've recently discovered Netbeans and I like it. It's currently the only Java IDE I can get running on aarch64. But I know what you're saying. The contributors that are left sound rather desperate for help.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by jaredsohn »

tux3 wrote: post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

There is a meme associated with this; search for 'apache projects go to die'

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by grzm »

For the curious, I think this might be the first submission related to Wave on HN (May 28, 2009; 169 points, 99 comments):

"Google Wave Drips With Ambition. A New Communication Platform For A New Web."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=630427

Top comment starts out

> "This is silly, it doesn't account for the many, many axes of communication."

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by liveoneggs »

scrollaway wrote: post #11
tux3 wrote: post #9

While the Apache Foundation hosts a lot of great projects, it also looks to me like a place where big projects go to die. I'm thinking of the whole Apache Open-Office fiasco, among other things. Looking at their list of projects sorted by number of committers[0], event at the top I don't get the idea that most of those have a lot of momentum. Do I just have a completely wrong impression? I'm curious if there's someth…

Yeah, no, your impression is correct. Apache is and always has been a bit of an open source graveyard. There's counter-examples but even they have me worried. Airflow, originating from AirBNB, is now Apache Airflow: https://github.com/apache/incubator-airflow -- And I've been super hesitant to throw weight at it because of that, even though it looks actively maintained.

airflow is too tightly integrated into a single project/requirements.txt for my tastes. It should do less.

Re: Retiring Wave

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Post by pedalpete »

Being based in Sydney, I occasionally meet people who worked on Wave.

They should be commended for ushering in a new vision for what the web could do. So much tech in there that is now considered standard.

As a product, it didn't fit a real purpose and was trying to do to much, but it should be remembered for opening our eyes to what was possible.

Tonight I'll raise a drink to all those who committed time to Wave and showed us the way (and I'm in Bondi, if anyone is around and wants to meet-up).

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