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Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, however living and housing costs tend to be low, so relatively speaking, with a not-so-great job, can still have a livable career.

If the finances balanced like this, Ii's unlikely that cities would be such popular destinations for young adults. I expect you'd find that the missing income is even greater than the savings in costs of living.

Or they do balance like this but the opportunities you miss out on as a young person are worth far more to you than the cost of living. That's certainly how it worked for me. I could have lived off $20.00/hr in the rural area I grew up in, but I would be isolated or stuck going to church for all of my social interactions. In the city I can't live comfortably off less than $30.00 but other people are right outside my door.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#42
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But college costs the same for everyone. On average, I see more expensive cars in the Bay Area than I do in my home state. I suspect that's because they're proportionally cheaper to someone who can afford to live there.

People in rural areas have less options to live with their parents while attending a college. People that live with their parents while going to college save a significant amount of money compared to people that live on their own. College costs are actually not the same for everyone. It's hard to find two people that have the same degree and paid exactly the same for it. It's easy to find two people eating the same b…

That's true, and actually amplifies the point I was trying to get across. A low rural cost of living doesn't help low-income rural kids afford college, since the college is likely in a higher income city area and priced accordingly.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#43
As a graduate of a very rural American school (to give you an idea, my entire pre-k through 12th grade school was housed in a single building, with below 500 kids total; my graduating class was just over 30 students, and I was one of 3 who went on to a 4-year school -- fewer than 10 of us went to any college at all)... this article isn't very good. Like some other commenters have pointed out, the author failed to interview any rural teens besides a single college student -- the rest of the article is just listing statistics, which isn't inherently bad, but doesn't give us much of an idea of why rural teens aren't attending college.

In my anecdotal experience, the reason in simple: parents in rural areas don't value a college education (probably because many of them never attended college themselves, opting for blue collar work instead), and thus don't encourage their kids to attend college. Throughout my childhood, kids seemed to glorify blue collar work and even look down on white collar workers; I recall being bullied quite a bit because my parents were educated and encouraged me to work hard in school.

That might be common behaviour in a lot of schools, but it was especially demoralizing in my case because I had no friends my age who valued education. And even if I did, before I turned 16 I wouldn't have been able to see them outside of school anyway, since both of my parents worked, I couldn't drive, and most students in my class lived at least 10 miles from my house over largely 60mph speed limit country roads -- not to mention the brutal winters in my area which would prevent even the shortest biking or walking travel. Without peers to learn alongside, I'll admit that my motivation to educate myself suffered. An even bigger problem was the lack of opportunities in my area: by the time I reached senior year of high school, I had literally one class left to take with a teacher at my school (Calc I, a class some of my college friends took their freshman year of high school). Instead, I opted to take classes at the local community college my senior year... but since I wasn't technically a high school graduate yet, I was forced to pay full sticker price (maybe 2k for the year?) out of my own pocket -- not a very good way to encourage students to aim high.

Besides the lack of opportunity and the lack of motivated peers, it was also incredibly crushing to apply to schools and constantly miss out on programs designed to give underprivileged students a leg up simply because I'm not in their target demographics. Both of my parents worked 40+ hour weeks, yet my family was only barely middle class -- which actually made my life harder when I applied for financial aid, since the government expected me to come up with 20k a year out of pocket, since I didn't qualify as poor enough to warrant better aid. And when I finally got to my college, most students started ahead of me in introductory classes since my high school didn't offer any AP or IB classes.

Based on my experience, I wouldn't recommend anybody bring up their kids in a rural area in America. You're effectively trading a childhood of enriching experiences for slightly cheaper rent and less traffic.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#44
post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Why shouldn't the world focus on cities? If you're choosing to live in an area where you're geographically separated from other people can you really complain that you're not receiving benefits from systems that are more optimal when people are clustered together?

>can you really complain that you're not receiving benefits from systems that are more optimal when people are clustered together

Yes. Society should always be doing more than what is cost optimal.

Cities are only being focused on right now naturally because that's where the rich people are. It wasn't that long ago that inner cities were quite poor and there were people making excuses like you for not investing in them.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#45
post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing.

The first claim seems unlikely, unless that’s 30 minutes at the speed of sound. I’d need solid citations to bite. The second seems unlikely as well, and given how bad response times can be in disadvantaged parts of cities, I’d wonder if it’s an urban/rural divide, or the usual rich/poor divide.

The third point is absolutely true, and that’s what happens when people leave, and therefore aren’t paying property taxes in that area. A supermajority of Americans live in and around cities, so that’s no shock.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/27/us/nearly-half-in-the-us-a...

More recent: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_the_United_S...

80% of Americans live in cities, so is it really a shock that a majority of resources are focused on the majority of people?

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#46
post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Why shouldn't the world focus on cities? If you're choosing to live in an area where you're geographically separated from other people can you really complain that you're not receiving benefits from systems that are more optimal when people are clustered together?

Unfortunately, the children of people who choose to live outside of cities don't have a choice in where their parents live.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#48
post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Why shouldn't the world focus on cities? If you're choosing to live in an area where you're geographically separated from other people can you really complain that you're not receiving benefits from systems that are more optimal when people are clustered together?

I thought we ended "Separate but Equal" as a culture half a century ago, but we're back to Jim Crow era in some regards.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#49
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rural areas tend to be poorest as far as whites go. They are not full of great jobs.

Agreed, however living and housing costs tend to be low, so relatively speaking, with a not-so-great job, can still have a livable career.

You can do alright if you learn a trade, which is typically much less expensive than university. In another life, I might have hung around home and taken up being an electrician, carpenter, boiler tech or mechanic. Cost of living is so much lower, in particular housing costs and taxes, that I could make half as much money and experience a comparable quality of life.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

#50
post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Why shouldn't the world focus on cities? If you're choosing to live in an area where you're geographically separated from other people can you really complain that you're not receiving benefits from systems that are more optimal when people are clustered together?

>choosing to live in an area where you're geographically separated from other people

people aren't created out of a vacuum and randomly choose a place to live. What if your 70 year old mother is simply too frail to move to a city? What if you desperately need the monthly paycheck and cannot just go months without pay looking for a job because you care for your child? What if you simply do not want your community to rot away because every abled bodied person runs off to the city?

People aren't just amoeba in a lab experiment.

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