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Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

jdhopeunique wrote: post #17
watwut wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

College grads do better then those who did not went to college - in terms of earnings, home ownership and just about any other stat I have seen. They do worst then grads of previous generation through. The worst off are those who took debt and then dropped out. Picking up grads as argument against college is odd, given that their results are not as bad as results of other demographic groups.

"College grads do better then those who did not went to college..." This is simply selection bias or survivorship bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias "They do worst then grads of previous generation though" Again, selection bias. Currently everyone except a limited few are encouraged to go to college therefore the effect of selection bias has weakened over time and current grads don't do as well as gra…

Hmm. So if only 10% of people go to college, you'd expect that the best 10% go, and you'd expect the best 10% to do better than the other 90%. But if 70% of people go to college, well, we don't have 70% "winner" positions available in society, so a bunch of those who go to college have to accept not-so-good outcomes. That makes some sense.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by Veelox »

jdminhbg wrote: post #16
nugi wrote: post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Thirty minutes from a major city but ambulances take hours doesn't seem to make a ton of sense.

If the ambulance is ran by the county and there is only one or two and you are 4th in line for pickup it could happen.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by CardenB »

brandmeyer wrote: post #9

"Overall, 59 percent of rural high school grads — white and nonwhite, at every income level — go to college the subsequent fall. That's a lower proportion than the 62 percent of urban and 67 percent of suburban graduates, according to the National Student Clearinghouse, which tracks this." That's not actually all that large of a difference. Its certainly not enough to justify the strong wording in the headline.

I think the idea is that rural high school grads are way more likely to drop out.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by lev99 »

Slansitartop wrote: post #24
forkLding wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, however living and housing costs tend to be low, so relatively speaking, with a not-so-great job, can still have a livable career.

But college costs the same for everyone. On average, I see more expensive cars in the Bay Area than I do in my home state. I suspect that's because they're proportionally cheaper to someone who can afford to live there.

People in rural areas have less options to live with their parents while attending a college.

People that live with their parents while going to college save a significant amount of money compared to people that live on their own.

College costs are actually not the same for everyone. It's hard to find two people that have the same degree and paid exactly the same for it. It's easy to find two people eating the same burrito that paid exactly the same for it.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by [deleted] »

johnny313 wrote: post #25
brandmeyer wrote: post #9

"Overall, 59 percent of rural high school grads — white and nonwhite, at every income level — go to college the subsequent fall. That's a lower proportion than the 62 percent of urban and 67 percent of suburban graduates, according to the National Student Clearinghouse, which tracks this." That's not actually all that large of a difference. Its certainly not enough to justify the strong wording in the headline.

I think the more telling statistic was a bit further into the article: "Forty-two percent of people ages 18 to 24 are enrolled in all of higher education, according to the National Center for Education Statistics, but only 29 percent of rural people in that age group are enrolled, compared with nearly 48 percent from cities."

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Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by dorchadas »

gowld wrote: post #21
forkLding wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, however living and housing costs tend to be low, so relatively speaking, with a not-so-great job, can still have a livable career.

If the finances balanced like this, Ii's unlikely that cities would be such popular destinations for young adults. I expect you'd find that the missing income is even greater than the savings in costs of living.

I dunno. I think there's more to the draw of cities. Like, I personally know I'm saving less living in a "city" than I could be living in my hometown... But, there's a lot more to do, it's a lot more culturally diverse, etc etc. I value that more than the extra money I could be saving. I'm willing to bet others value things like that, as well as the career opportunities, that come with cities.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by marnett »

jdminhbg wrote: post #16
nugi wrote: post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Thirty minutes from a major city but ambulances take hours doesn't seem to make a ton of sense.

City ambulances don't service counties. If the county outside the city has less available ambulances but high demand then wait times go up.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by Spooky23 »

jdminhbg wrote: post #16
nugi wrote: post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Thirty minutes from a major city but ambulances take hours doesn't seem to make a ton of sense.

Depends on what time of day you have your emergency and what is happening.

The town I grew up in is 45-60m to an ER during the day, 30m at night. It’s a volunteer squad, so typical response time is ~20m, longer during the weekday. If someone else has an emergency, they will likely need a mutual aid call, which adds 15-30m. If you need ALS, the ambulance may need to pull over en route when a county paramedic responds. If you are further out, the times increase rapidly. Many common emergencies like stroke are guaranteed fatal.

In the small city that I live in, first responder for a medical emergency will arrive in <7m. Transport to hospital is ~5-10m.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by Spooky23 »

forkLding wrote: post #14
watwut wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rural areas tend to be poorest as far as whites go. They are not full of great jobs.

Agreed, however living and housing costs tend to be low, so relatively speaking, with a not-so-great job, can still have a livable career.

You get trapped in trailers and need a car, so it’s harder to get social benefits.

The only way out for country folk is the army.

Re: Who's Missing from America's Colleges? Rural High School Graduates

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Post by VectorLock »

nugi wrote: post #6

The world continues to focus on cities, while the rest of the people are left behind. I notice a clear metropolitan bias on HN, often incredulous that 1st world citizens are still living in a unimproved state. Even an 30min from one of the 10 biggest cities on the USA, broadband is still unavailable to a majority, ambulance times are in hours, and school funding is increasingly disappearing. Please keep in your minds…

Why shouldn't the world focus on cities? If you're choosing to live in an area where you're geographically separated from other people can you really complain that you're not receiving benefits from systems that are more optimal when people are clustered together?
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