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China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Post by otoburb »

stevenjohns wrote: post #20
monocasa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Uighers may be the first population to sign up for satellite subscriptions If they can at all. Uighers can't even buy a knife without it being engraved with a QR code of their national ID number.

I recently traveled to China and went to a fairly remote area dominated by Uyghurs and didn't see anything that would indicate that level of oppression. They seemed quite free to do what they wanted to between themselves (such as buying a knife) although I imagine their political rights wouldn't be very strong.

The parent's comment was taken directly from the OP article.

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Post by antishatter »

liberte82 wrote: post #19

Unrelated, but I'm always amazed when I hear about these massive Chinese cities for the first time. Apparently Urumqi has a population of 3.5 million.

Recently went to Xian which locals had described to be as being more of a small village feel. A mere 8m population.

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Post by PricelessValue »

> China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

What silly clickbait. I swear the media ( or propaganda ) sure loves to scaremonger with "china".

The brits want it. Europe wants it. Russia wants it. And the liberal and conservatives in the US want it.

The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US.

Edit: Holy cow, the brigade is strong here.

Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Post by bilbo0s »

justicezyx wrote: post #10

A side note: The terrorist attacks (what the CCP states) in Xinjiang was rampant. Every years hundreds of innocent people were killed. And due to media control, those reports seldom see publicity outside of small forums in the first a few months following the events. ps1: Whether or not those attacks are done by terrorists, or oppressed minorities, I have no comments. ps2: This not a defend. Merely suggest one of the…

"...Whether or not those attacks are done by terrorists, or oppressed minorities, I have no comments...."

???

If "...oppressed minorities..." commit acts wherein "...hundreds of innocent people were killed..."

aren't they "terrorists"?

Or am I thinking about this whole thing wrong?

Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Post by bob_theslob646 »

PricelessValue wrote: post #23

> China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants What silly clickbait. I swear the media ( or propaganda ) sure loves to scaremonger with "china". The brits want it. Europe wants it. Russia wants it. And the liberal and conservatives in the US want it. The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US. Edit: Holy cow, the brigade is strong here.

>The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US

How do you even measure that? I have no idea what you're are saying means?

Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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PricelessValue wrote: post #23

> China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants What silly clickbait. I swear the media ( or propaganda ) sure loves to scaremonger with "china". The brits want it. Europe wants it. Russia wants it. And the liberal and conservatives in the US want it. The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US. Edit: Holy cow, the brigade is strong here.

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Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

How much do you want to bet that a lot of these technologies are built on open source software? If it was a company that was licensing software to them, there would be someone to hold accountable, but with open source, you just make and release something and it is not your problem who uses it for what.

Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Post by PricelessValue »

bob_theslob646 wrote: post #25
PricelessValue wrote: post #23

> China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants What silly clickbait. I swear the media ( or propaganda ) sure loves to scaremonger with "china". The brits want it. Europe wants it. Russia wants it. And the liberal and conservatives in the US want it. The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US. Edit: Holy cow, the brigade is strong here.

>The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US How do you even measure that? I have no idea what you're are saying means?

> How do you even measure that?

How about on a per capita basis?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/06/tony-porter-su...

Or how about

1. In terms of quality and sophistication tech. US and Britain pioneered most of the surveillance tech.

2. Experience and age? We have decades head start on the chinese when it comes to tech surveillance.

3. We are more "connected" and a more urban society with surveillable data? Nearly 50% of china still lives in rural areas.

Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Post by Haydos585x2 »

PricelessValue wrote: post #23

> China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants What silly clickbait. I swear the media ( or propaganda ) sure loves to scaremonger with "china". The brits want it. Europe wants it. Russia wants it. And the liberal and conservatives in the US want it. The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US. Edit: Holy cow, the brigade is strong here.

This post is clearly suggesting that the PEOPLE of those nations don't want that dystopian future.

What China is doing in Xinjiang is not something many, if any, citizens around the world want.

Re: China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

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Post by chaostheory »

bob_theslob646 wrote: post #25
PricelessValue wrote: post #23

> China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants What silly clickbait. I swear the media ( or propaganda ) sure loves to scaremonger with "china". The brits want it. Europe wants it. Russia wants it. And the liberal and conservatives in the US want it. The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US. Edit: Holy cow, the brigade is strong here.

>The leading surveillance systems in the world aren't in china. It's in britain. It's in the US How do you even measure that? I have no idea what you're are saying means?

With the UK, this is already well known. They have about a camera per 14 people give or take. Post 9-11, in the US it's also spread. Typically it's in really crime-ridden areas where law and order is barely sustainable (yes these exist). The only one I can't comment much on is Russia. Given that they essentially have a dictatorship, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a big program as well.

imo the state of the art surveillance isn't in China. It's either in the Middle East (especially in Dubai) or Singapore.

This happened a few years back: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/an-eye-for-an-eye-...

(I used to work in the video imaging industry.)

The OP of this thread is missing the point of the article though. They can call themselves Liberals, Conservatives, Communist Party Members, Nationalists or whatever, but only the elites want mass surveillance and really no one else

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