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Tiny quad-core system-on-module for makers and hardware startups

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Re: Tiny quad-core system-on-module for makers and hardware startups

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$49 seems very expensive for something like this. There are similar packages available in the $5-30. What makes this special?

It is all about the details. Industrial DDR3 with -25C temperature is quite expensive, but it is a requirement for any company building a product that could be used outdoors. Quad-core GHz A53 in such tiny footprint, but really with everything needed onboard. Very motherboard and embedding friendly and with proper software support.

I think I will give some backstory which might be relevant. This product was born out of a need to migrate from Intel Edison in our high precision GPS equipment. We looked long and hard for Edison alternatives but there were none. They were either too big, or too expensive or did not have enough computing power. So we decided to build our own.

Disclosure: I am co-founder of Emlid, the company behind Neutis. Happy to answer any questions.

Re: Tiny quad-core system-on-module for makers and hardware startups

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$49 seems very expensive for something like this. There are similar packages available in the $5-30. What makes this special?

It's a 64-bit 4-core ARM. So I expect it to cost a little more than a Raspberry Pi.

This is the identical CPU of a Raspberry Pi 3. 512 MB of RAM with 64 bit is a pain, and that Mali GPU is a proprietary piece of shit. What's the market for a SoM for "makers and hardware startups" that has negligible upstream support.

That's before you consider that they chose a SoC with considerable GPU/VPU capabilities that can only do HDMI or composite, the first you would never use in an embedded application where you have a fixed display, the latter you would never use, ever.

Re: Tiny quad-core system-on-module for makers and hardware startups

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$49 seems very expensive for something like this. There are similar packages available in the $5-30. What makes this special?

It is all about the details. Industrial DDR3 with -25C temperature is quite expensive, but it is a requirement for any company building a product that could be used outdoors. Quad-core GHz A53 in such tiny footprint, but really with everything needed onboard. Very motherboard and embedding friendly and with proper software support. I think I will give some backstory which might be relevant. This product was born out…

"Neutis runs modern Linux kernel based on the mainline version. Unlike other modules that are stuck with old legacy kernels without updates, Neutis will get security fixes and new features on time."

You must clarify that. You are on a technical forum and that simply is not acceptable. "Mainline" is 4.16-rc2, there is only one mainline, so you are saying it's shipping with an rc quality kernel that is still in active development?

Or do you mean it comes with an LTS? "Yocto and Debian". Debian does not use mainline kernel, in fact, no linux distro does, ever. What version of debian?

Re: Tiny quad-core system-on-module for makers and hardware startups

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I think this looks good! I also think the price is reasonable, and the linked page also mentions volume discounts.

Extended temp range, long-term supply, CE & FCC certification, BSP with OTA upgrade support, manufacturing tool, and best of all: "we rely on Neutis ourselves in our line of Reach M+ and Reach RS+ RTK GNSS receivers".

What WiFi+BT chip is used?

Webpage mentions Debian briefly. How good is that support today?

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