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IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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Not even an iota of an idiot compared to those who bought into this scam of a coin :)

Yeah, those guys are such idiots for earning a +380606% return on their investment from ICO :)

People made 4 million bucks for every k invested in iota?

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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damn so did Bosch get scammed too? http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-bosch-bets-on-iota-201...

Bosch just wants to have press releases that contain the word "blockchain". It doesn't make the technology any less broken.

as far as I know Bosch is a private company. A lot less for them to gain from PRs with 'blockchain' in them.

From the AMA Bosch did[1] it certainly seems like its more than just a blockchain PR and that they are actually putting resources towards this, but its hard to tell from the outside

[1]https://www.reddit.com/r/Iota/comments/7sxgx0/bosch_ama_janu...

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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I have yet to see a convincing argument that proof-of-stake can be made trustless. The only designs that I've seen that seem realistic rely on some notion of checkpointing to prevent large scale chain rewrites. While it may be possible to make that checkpointing distributed, the only way that I'm aware of is to use proof of work. The easier path is to just checkpoint in the client, so that the trust comes from the gi…

"Ouroboros: A Provably Secure Proof-of-Stake Blockchain Protocol" ? ( https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/889.pdf https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13134363 https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/52qfwl/provably_s... )

I'll have to give it a closer look, but from a cursory look it seems that there's no avoidance of the bootstrap problem (given two chains, which one does a new node choose?), and no guaranteed Sybil-resistance in the "honest majority" required to avoid the grinding attack.

It would take the endorsement of someone that I consider extremely trustworthy to even go to the trouble of trying to deconstruct whether this approach is valid.

It stands, I think, in stark contrast to the simplicity of the proof-of-work based Sybil resistance, and the "central authority will sign the block" based Sybil resistance.

That said, given this discussion about the nature of trust, this scheme may work in effect, even if in the end it devolves into a centralized or social proof to find the correct chain. I'm not sure it adds a lot on top of that except instilling some potentially false sense of security in naively written nodes.

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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There are a lot of letters in that article. Here is a lot less: It is a scam

damn so did Bosch get scammed too? http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-bosch-bets-on-iota-201...

A larger company has an opportunity to do more smart things... but also an opportunity to do a larger number of dumb things.

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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I think the biggest issue here is that even though this post is well researched, most people don't care, because they haven't invested in IOTA (or any other cryptocurrency for that matter) with the intention of using the features. The large majority is in it for the trading. Unless there are huge issues such as the network crashing, they don't care. It's just a line chart on an exchange to them. That's also why there…

Exactly this, for me, what crypto represented, when I put money in it, was a way for me to take the skills I learned trading fake video game items in runescape, and apply it to something that people would pay real money for. It's been a rather profitable venture for me but I realize that is the exception rather than the rule.

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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While it's probably not the main problem with IOTA I must say that the ternary logic is probably the most amusing and baffling thing about it. This kind of hubris is something I would expect from a very junior developer without much real world experience who already thinks he's got everything figured out. How can one rationalize starting a super ambitious cryptocurrency project and on top of that decide to reimplemen…

This is even more amusing when coupled with the thoughts of IOTA followers: https://www.reddit.com/r/Iota/comments/73w6i7/why_ternary_ar... The two most voted comments are as follows: >It's a little overwhelming seeing IOTA do all of these things so far beyond other crypto projects. Blockchain tech is already bleeding edge but then add in ternary, quantum resistance, DAG, infinite scaling, free transactions, and AI r…

In other words, people are trying to pump up the price of IOTA.

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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There is perhaps a bit more to cryptocurrencies that Singer gives them credit for. I've recently been reading some of the original stuff from Szabo / Satoshi eg http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html and https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf that partly explain why they have worked and not collapsed 9 years later. A lot of it is much clearer than the hype which has followed.

There are several thousand of those articles with the same points scrambled, filled with millions of comments with the same points scrambled. It's bait for people to jump in a pool with sharks. People like Singer and Buffett are driving by in a boat and looking in with binoculars. Hopefully enough people do not jump in that there ends up being a tidal wave.

Szabo is not another cryptocurrency talking head. He proposed smart contracts a decade before they became a reality.

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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Where is the part where he admitted it was bullshit?

Indeed "Our short of #IOTA on @bitfinex has closed at a profit of over 30%. Who said writing doesn't pay?" could open him to criminal prosecution if it was bullshit. It's legal to short something and make legitimate criticisms but spreading lies to drop the price is not.

Article probably didn't have a dent on price; the whole market dropped.

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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There are several thousand of those articles with the same points scrambled, filled with millions of comments with the same points scrambled. It's bait for people to jump in a pool with sharks. People like Singer and Buffett are driving by in a boat and looking in with binoculars. Hopefully enough people do not jump in that there ends up being a tidal wave.

Szabo is not another cryptocurrency talking head. He proposed smart contracts a decade before they became a reality.

Who hasn't proposed smart contracts decades ago? We used to talk about formalizing the legal system so it could be processed by computer while sitting around the undergrad common room. You can't read, e.g. Asimov, without being exposed to such ideas. Not to mention the numerous times such an idea came up on usenet, slashdot, or here whenever some corrupt human-in-authority abused some legal system. Every one of those discussions, however, ended with the lightbulb that, unless you have AI that can comprehend intent, it is as impossible to write a smart contract as it is to write code without bugs. And if you have an AI, then laws written in English are all you need anyway. Coming up with the idea of smart contracts isn't a sign of unrecognized genius, but believing it to be a valid solution is a definite disqualification.

Re: IOTA: The Brave Little Toaster That Couldn’t

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Here we go again. Iota has never been one of the coins to answer any concerns without either saying "this is planned for the future" or creating sock puppets to try and drown the thread in low quality comments.

Ok, so it'll be huge, like Mongo then?
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