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Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by shostack »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #87
nerdponx wrote: post #56

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already accept it's happening and inevitable I've almost given up. I'm pretty much despondent at this point. There is a booth on my way to work where they give out free Lays chips in exchange for your photo. The gimmick is that it's like a photo booth. I asked the attendant to read the privacy policy, and it's frightening, to say the least. I have no doubt that they are contracting with some AI consultant to be able…

Have you ever stood in line for passport/ID control at an airport or anywhere else any time in the past decade? If yes, that government's security and intelligence services (and anyone they share data with) have enough video frames of your your face to build a high fidelity facial recognition model. And it's linked to your name, nationality and passport number.

They probably also have enough to generate a DeepFake if they want. Can't wait for the next big incident to involve that...

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by canaanical »

banderman wrote: post #90
nerdponx wrote: post #56

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already accept it's happening and inevitable I've almost given up. I'm pretty much despondent at this point. There is a booth on my way to work where they give out free Lays chips in exchange for your photo. The gimmick is that it's like a photo booth. I asked the attendant to read the privacy policy, and it's frightening, to say the least. I have no doubt that they are contracting with some AI consultant to be able…

It's the same as the Microsoft "How old are you?" and Google "What painting do you look like?" apps. People don't think about what's going on behind something that seems trivial.

Anecdotally, Google Opinion Rewards first question was whether or not I supported the UN. I immediately deleted the app.

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Post by nugi »

tjr225 wrote: post #76
simias wrote: post #11

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I'm not too worried about that. The moment that type of technology becomes widely available is the moment this type of blackmail loses all edge. You might even actually start doing gay porn IRL and people will assume that it's been "deepfaked". The corollary is a little more worrying: any kind of incriminating document about a politician or public figure will be dismissed as a fake immediately. I mean, they already d…

> We have a brave new world ahead of us where you won't be able to trust anything you see or hear through any media, no matter how convincing it seems. That's pretty terrifying IMO. Anyone can correct me if I'm being a bit dramatic but personally, it feels like we are very much already there.

That would has always been here. From embellishing town sayers, to the Hurst empire, media has always been The tool for mass manipulation.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by Avamander »

Eridrus wrote: post #81
kypro wrote: post #35

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> I'm more concerned about Google using AI to mine every conversation I've ever had or my browsing history to classify me as a dissiden before I apply for a visa to travel to China or the United States, or as a deadbeat before I apply for a bank loan, or sick before I apply for insurance, or as unrehabilitatable before I apply for parole. I'm quite paranoid about this, yet whenever I speak to people about it either p…

> I'm quite paranoid about this, yet whenever I speak to people about it either people don't care, or already accept it's happening and inevitable. I have yet to see much in the way of concrete harms from the supposed privacy issues plaguing online advertising. Everyone has a favorite hypothetical situation where Google dobs you in to the Chinese government, but no evidence that anything of the sort is actually happe…

Nothing bad so far... For example there's a lot of homophobic people out in the world, right? Now let's assume this article, https://osf.io/zn79k/, is correct in it's conclusions and boom, you've got machines that could potentially discriminate based on the CCTV footage of the building you entered for a job interview. This is just the start, scientists are heavily looking for those genes that make people smart, more prone to diseases, creating an AI that based on your genes determines if you're fit for high school even is seriously dystopic.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by evoloution »

3pt14159 wrote: post #103

Reading the comments on this article make me realize how unserious most engineers and software developers are taking this. These threats are real. The weaponization of everything is actually happening. Since I wrote about it a month ago (Self-Crashing Cars) a number of people have reached out including people with actual insight into the military aspect of it. Militaries around the world are getting ready for true AI…

I think you are absolutely correct. I think that people who are more entrenched in the field are even subconsciously unwilling to accept what is to come knowing that the unavoidable regulation will limit their creativity and just make their lives more miserable. But they know...

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by d0lph »

https://www.eff.org/files/2018/02/20/malicious_ai_report_fin...

Still reading the paper and forming an opinion. But my initial thoughts are what exactly is new here that couldn't be done through some other means? I'm sure there will be interesting implications, but right now nothing seems particularly novel.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by nugi »

amelius wrote: post #65
viach wrote: post #20

I was thinking recently, isn't any usage of Strong AI is in fact the same as slavery and, hence, immoral?

It depends if the AI enjoys doing the work or not. If we build the AI such that it enjoys the work, then there is no problem.

So a puppy bred to enjoy beatings would be ok to beat? Idk, the ethics seem a bit muddy here if you start form the mindset of a sentient being, rather than a 'robot that feels'.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by landryraccoon »

nradov wrote: post #138
landryraccoon wrote: post #126

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Lions and Bears : Humans aren't a threat. Sharp teeth through the neck are an effective defense against a malicious human. If the hypothetical malicious AI gets built, your JDAMs will be about as advanced by comparison as a pointy stick against an M-16.

Whatever. Let me know when someone invents an AI as smart as a lab mouse. Until then this is all just pointless idle speculation.

That's fair, but arguing something isn't possible is very different from arguing that when it happens you can solve it with a bomb. The conversation is about a hypothetical strong AI. You can say strong AI isn't possible, like you can say warp drives aren't possible, and it's still valid to discuss what it might be like if they were possible.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by nugi »

matte_black wrote: post #139
pixl97 wrote: post #132

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How many cameras have have you walked by already today?

Makes me wonder if snapping a photo of a person without their consent then immediately going home and making deep fake porn about them could constitute as digital rape.

It can be charged under slander laws iirc, but without physical assult, not rape. Many harassment laws may also cover this. But if the picture was taken in public, you may not have many rights.

Using 'rape' to mean any unwanted sexual communication is a terrible thing, and seems to be getting more common.

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Post by [deleted] »

mcguire wrote: post #84
blurbleblurble wrote: post #34

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I took a class Sociology class in college called "Killing". Not a single time did we once ever talk about "authoritative" or "legitimate" killings of any sort. It turned out that this class was specifically meant for 'Criminal Justice' majors, people who were going on to be police officers and prosecutors. We didn't ever talk about war, the death penalty, genocide, eugenics, abortion, differential reproductive succes…

When was this? Back when I was an undergrad, I took one sociology class (on a different topic) and the faculty seemed especially sensitive about that sort of manipulation. I can't find a reference at the moment, but it had something to do with the CIA consulting with academics about their activities in South America in the 70s. This was in 1987 at UT Austin.

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