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IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by cat199 »

dwyerm wrote: post #78
masklinn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC it's mostly a factor for gut absorption: when gut cells absorb glucose, sodium is cotransported (goes along for the ride) and thus pass through the gut and into the bloodstream at a much greater rate, and the greater sodium gradient increases the rate of water absorption: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11193601 And the sodium also (and originally) serves to combat hyponatremia, as lost fluid generally bring…

It drove me a little bit crazy to hear a mom complaining about how she couldn't find sugar-free Pedialyte for her child. It is difficult to explain that to a person who has spent their whole adult life demonizing artificial colors, artificial flavors, and of course sugar.

If only there were Diet Pedialyte(tm)!

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by Libturd »

koolba wrote: post #14
pluma wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fact I think teaspoons are reasonable for those if it's something you'd prepare at home. Faster to measure with a teaspoon than using a scale or measuring cup, I'd think.

I never liked spoon based measurements as the spoon size varies. There’s also the never ending question of level vs heaping.

oh no! an extra grain in my recipe! lol you fucking people.

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by cat199 »

>But as my colleagues and I have manifestly demonstrated in our lackluster response to these efforts over the past several years, spending more money on something is kind of the American way, because spending more feels like doing more, measurable upside be damned.

The higher the cost, the higher value of the percentage skimmed off the top from insurance.. there is no cost incentive here from the POV of the charging institution.. this has nothing to do with 'measurable upside'

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

jtuente wrote: post #81
mabbo wrote: post #9

> You can also make good oral rehydration solutions yourself at home for pennies: Just take 32 ounces of water and add 6 teaspoons of sugar and a half-teaspoon of salt. > resist the temptation to drink at a normal rate... An ounce at a time every few minutes This should be something everyone learns. Many common headaches are just dehydration. When you've got a cold or flu, dehydration is common and makes you feel eve…

Some quick googling estimates 6 tsp of sugar is about 25 grams or 100 calories. For comparison, a 32oz bottle of Gatorade G2 (low calorie) has about 19 grams of sugar, and a 32oz bottle of normal Gatorade has about 56 grams. Adding - 1/2 tsp of salt is 2.5 grams of which it is 1 gram of sodium. G2 - 435mg sodium, 120mg potassium; normal - 400mg, 100mg.

As a third point of reference, the Strawberry Lemonade 32oz Powerade I have here next to my keyboard (now filled with water) contains 56g sugar, 400 mg sodium, 93 mg potassium.

Note that the label says it contains 21g sugar, 150mg sodium, 35 mg potassium - per 12 fluid ounces. Multiply by 2.66 if you drink the whole bottle.

In table format:

                    DIY Oral    Gatorade    Gatorade    Powerade    Pedialyte
                    Solution    G2          
    Sugar (g)       25          19          56          56          24
    Sodium (mg)     1000        435         400         400         986
    Potassium (mg)  0           120         100         93          780
(per 32 Oz)

It's striking how similar the regular Gatorade and Powerade are. Also, the powerade.com nutritional info site is "down for maintenance", had to search elsewhere: http://archive.is/2018.02.22-160258/https://www.powerade.com.... They have the Coca-Cola logo.gif on the site, but unfortunately no animated orange construction barrels.

Edit: Added Pedialyte

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by 33W »

jtuente wrote: post #81
mabbo wrote: post #9

> You can also make good oral rehydration solutions yourself at home for pennies: Just take 32 ounces of water and add 6 teaspoons of sugar and a half-teaspoon of salt. > resist the temptation to drink at a normal rate... An ounce at a time every few minutes This should be something everyone learns. Many common headaches are just dehydration. When you've got a cold or flu, dehydration is common and makes you feel eve…

Some quick googling estimates 6 tsp of sugar is about 25 grams or 100 calories. For comparison, a 32oz bottle of Gatorade G2 (low calorie) has about 19 grams of sugar, and a 32oz bottle of normal Gatorade has about 56 grams. Adding - 1/2 tsp of salt is 2.5 grams of which it is 1 gram of sodium. G2 - 435mg sodium, 120mg potassium; normal - 400mg, 100mg.

Looking at the info for pedialyte, 12 oz contains 370mg of sodium, and 9g of sugar.

So for 32oz, that 986mg sodium, and 24g sugar, which seems spot on to the articles recommended ratios.

https://pedialyte.com/products/classic/mixed-fruit

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by gasgasgas »

pdpi wrote: post #39
jinushaun wrote: post #6

True, but where IV bags shine is hydrating those that can’t drink water. (Vomiting, nausea, etc)

Yes, that is precisely what the article says: use the cheaper less invasive treatment if you can, save the IV bag for when you can’t

That is done already.

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by gasgasgas »

Slansitartop wrote: post #82

Hospitals also insanely overcharge for IVs. A few years ago I was in the hospital, and I knew I could keep down oral re-hydration solution. The hospital put me on a saline IV anyway. When I got the bill, the IV line item was $2000! Insurance discounts brought that down to $200. I paid all that for a couple dollars of salt water I didn't need.

The charges are inflated because of insurance. The actual paid amount is less.

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by amorphid »

aidenn0 wrote: post #66
mabbo wrote: post #9

> You can also make good oral rehydration solutions yourself at home for pennies: Just take 32 ounces of water and add 6 teaspoons of sugar and a half-teaspoon of salt. > resist the temptation to drink at a normal rate... An ounce at a time every few minutes This should be something everyone learns. Many common headaches are just dehydration. When you've got a cold or flu, dehydration is common and makes you feel eve…

Quick tip: for kids, you can make popsicles out of the solution, which will moderate the rate at which they drink it.

Not if you eat popsicles the way I do! Lick, lick, crunch, more please.

Re: IV Bags May Not Be Necessary to Rehydrate Patients

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Post by gasgasgas »

amluto wrote: post #75
breatheoften wrote: post #64

This is fascinating for me to read as a person who is rather convinced that trendiness tends to overwhelm reason in much of wellness practices. But I happened to try an elective iv clinic on Sunday — after a hard workout and long night the previous day — https://www.onusiv.com . I’ve never had an iv before — but the experience was genuinely awesome — muscle pain decreased, I felt lighter and energized, and my mood im…

shudder In Taiwan, it used to be a thing to get vitamin B shots all the time for no good reason. The placebo affect was probably involved. It turns out that the vitamins were almost certainly useless, but some 90% of the population got Hepatitis B. Guess who didn't sterilize everything properly? I would stay the fuck away from quacks who want to inject magic solutions. At least the detox crowd just drinks that stuff.…

Patients insist on IV despite doctors not agreeing. Even injectables!
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