Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
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Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#2I understand the need to change approaches and for companies to move to other manufacturing, etc., but 12 years??
Two years seems about right?
I always wonder when there's a long implementation period before requirements take hold if that's a politician making sure they don't have to handle the fallout but can still wallow in the glory.
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#3I understand the need to change approaches and for companies to move to other manufacturing, etc., but 12 years?? Two years seems about right? I always wonder when there's a long implementation period before requirements take hold if that's a politician making sure they don't have to handle the fallout but can still wallow in the glory.
Oh hell yes, and in 12 years a new set of politicians will kick the can again, that’s how it works.
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#412 years? 12 months seems plenty.
It's not like they need decades of research to reintroduce paper straws, paper bags and reusable bags.
Edit: I'm confused now.
"As of next year, food and beverage stores such as fast food chains must stop providing plastic straws for in-store use. From 2020, free plastic straws will be banned from all food and beverage outlets. From 2025, the public will have to pay for takeaway plastic straws, and a blanket ban is to be imposed in 2030"
They're banned free from 2020, but public have to pay from 2025? What happens in between then?
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#5I understand the need to change approaches and for companies to move to other manufacturing, etc., but 12 years?? Two years seems about right? I always wonder when there's a long implementation period before requirements take hold if that's a politician making sure they don't have to handle the fallout but can still wallow in the glory.
How big is the plastic lobby in Taiwan?
I'm quite certain for Europe, the car lobby is very strong that governments say "By 2050" in the same sentence as "All cars should be electric!".
On that topic, some cities in Germany are so fed up with the pollution levels, they're thinking of banning diesel cars, which is being argued before a court today.
Meanwhile, at the moment it's 45 degrees warmer than normal in the Arctic. It's like saying "In this movie, the hero will win in 50 minutes!" when the end of the movie is in 5.
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#6I recently bought a set of reusable stainless steel straws.
They were expensive, but have a timeless "design" and have a build quality that gives the impression they will last a lifetime.
When dirty I throw them in the dishwasher with the other cutleries. They don't take any space in the washer so cleaning them is essentially "free". (Making abstraction of the ecological cost of a dishwasher.)
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#7I understand the need to change approaches and for companies to move to other manufacturing, etc., but 12 years?? Two years seems about right? I always wonder when there's a long implementation period before requirements take hold if that's a politician making sure they don't have to handle the fallout but can still wallow in the glory.
You don't mess with the Taiwanese bubble tea. Seriously, they use one hell of a lot of plastic crap in Taiwan for takeouts but a lot of people also carry their own utensils, for various reasons.
Agree, 2 years should be plenty. I'd stretch to 5 but in 12 we'll all be drowning in the stuff.
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#8The Law of Unintended Consequences will:
* Put companies out of business that produce or import said goods
* Reducing availability and increasing cost of medical goods that use plastic because the aforementioned companies no longer exist or are importing products
* Put pressure on manufactures to use alternate materials (bamboo and glass most likely) causing shortages and rising cost
This in the long run is going to put an overall strain on on the country that is going to drive commerce away and make a black market. Just look at place that bans or places a sin taxes on certain products.
Soda Tax in New York that made people go to New Jersey:
https://nypost.com/2014/06/26/highest-court-in-ny-refuses-to...
Bicycle Tax added because people stopped using cars because of another tax so a new tax had to replace the car tax:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/17/first-bicyc...
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#9I understand the need to change approaches and for companies to move to other manufacturing, etc., but 12 years?? Two years seems about right? I always wonder when there's a long implementation period before requirements take hold if that's a politician making sure they don't have to handle the fallout but can still wallow in the glory.
How big is the plastic lobby in Taiwan? I'm quite certain for Europe, the car lobby is very strong that governments say "By 2050" in the same sentence as "All cars should be electric!". On that topic, some cities in Germany are so fed up with the pollution levels, they're thinking of banning diesel cars, which is being argued before a court today. Meanwhile, at the moment it's 45 degrees warmer than normal in the Arc…
>On that topic, some cities in Germany are so fed up with the pollution levels, they're thinking of banning diesel cars, which is being argued before a court today.
Bigger cities already ban diesel cars that don't adhere to Euro IV (or V?), and gasoline cars without catalytic converters. You have to have an "umweltplakette" sticker to drive in the cities.
Re: Taiwan ban single-use plastic straws, plastic bags, disposable utensils by 2030
#10The UK dropped to 500 million bags annually used from 7 billion after introduction of a 5 pence per bag charge. That's just one country albeit one of the world's largest. Still I think we're over due for much more agressive action.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/30/england-...