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Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by lawlessone »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #24
zucchini_head wrote: post #16

I find it quite funny, rather intruiging, that we seem to have gone full circle on trusted sources of information. Historically, a face-to-face meeting was considered as the ultimate legitimate and trustworthy way. Not story or rumors or witnessing, since the courts say people can be "decieved", "traumatised", etc. Then came microphones, cameras, CCTV in the 20th century, and then they became the ultimate trusted sou…

Your comment reminds me of a silly little graph I saw posted to reddit once, basically stating that the prevalence of things like miracles and witchcraft was high throughout human history until the development of the camera, where it stayed low until the development of Photoshop.

You would think the existence of Photoshop would make people even more skeptical.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by Santosh83 »

zucchini_head wrote: post #16

I find it quite funny, rather intruiging, that we seem to have gone full circle on trusted sources of information. Historically, a face-to-face meeting was considered as the ultimate legitimate and trustworthy way. Not story or rumors or witnessing, since the courts say people can be "decieved", "traumatised", etc. Then came microphones, cameras, CCTV in the 20th century, and then they became the ultimate trusted sou…

> I'm saddened that there are actual "smart" people who waste their days to work on these malicious forms of AI, be it Google's almost entire arsenal, or anything. However, i'm not surprised they do, but it is still sad.

Am sure the usual justification to apply salve to your conscience for this sort of activity is the trope that the 'bad guys' will do it anyway, so we need to do it before them to counter them and be the torch-bearer of liberty.

The atom bomb was developed upon that fear and pretext. Compared to that AI is a fairly mild thing.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by pacala »

Santosh83 wrote: post #28
viach wrote: post #20

I was thinking recently, isn't any usage of Strong AI is in fact the same as slavery and, hence, immoral?

According to most humans no, because while it may possess a mind, it does not have a soul and hence can be used and exploited. This is the argument we have given ourselves over millennia to use highly intelligent animals and of course human slavery was based on the myth that Africans were sub-human and slavery was good for them. Why do you think this time will be any different?

String AI will have a soul.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by blurbleblurble »

Mizza wrote: post #30

The disturbing thing about this paper to me - flashy though it may be - is what they left out rather than what they kept in. OpenAI appears to only be thinking of the crimes-against-individuals segment of malicious AI, rather then the crimes-against-humanity type of malicious AI that the surveillance advertising corporations who are supporting OpenAI are building. I am far, far less worried about an assassin's drones…

I took a class Sociology class in college called "Killing". Not a single time did we once ever talk about "authoritative" or "legitimate" killings of any sort. It turned out that this class was specifically meant for 'Criminal Justice' majors, people who were going on to be police officers and prosecutors. We didn't ever talk about war, the death penalty, genocide, eugenics, abortion, differential reproductive success, famine, none of it. The whole class was about homicide.

I was disturbed and appalled.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by kypro »

Mizza wrote: post #30

The disturbing thing about this paper to me - flashy though it may be - is what they left out rather than what they kept in. OpenAI appears to only be thinking of the crimes-against-individuals segment of malicious AI, rather then the crimes-against-humanity type of malicious AI that the surveillance advertising corporations who are supporting OpenAI are building. I am far, far less worried about an assassin's drones…

> I'm more concerned about Google using AI to mine every conversation I've ever had or my browsing history to classify me as a dissiden before I apply for a visa to travel to China or the United States, or as a deadbeat before I apply for a bank loan, or sick before I apply for insurance, or as unrehabilitatable before I apply for parole.

I'm quite paranoid about this, yet whenever I speak to people about it either people don't care, or already accept it's happening and inevitable.

I think part of the problem is many of us already feel we've lost the battle for privacy. Although, I'm not sure we ever seriously attempted to fight for it. Every street in cities in the UK is full CCTV cameras. The underground and buses track where you travel. Our internet is monitored and logged. This isn't a future problem that will manifest from greed and advances in AI, it's something we all accept and deal with today.

In fact, a lot of people will say to this, "if you don't do anything wrong you've got nothing to hide". They welcome it.

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by viach »

Santosh83 wrote: post #28
viach wrote: post #20

I was thinking recently, isn't any usage of Strong AI is in fact the same as slavery and, hence, immoral?

According to most humans no, because while it may possess a mind, it does not have a soul and hence can be used and exploited. This is the argument we have given ourselves over millennia to use highly intelligent animals and of course human slavery was based on the myth that Africans were sub-human and slavery was good for them. Why do you think this time will be any different?

Because it's 2018 and everyone is looking so cool and we've got our history lessons and we fight inequality and all this stuff? Or, do you mean, this is just another circle of the spiral of human biases?

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by tree_of_item »

taneq wrote: post #12

It may be superfluous to point this out but this seems to be talking about malicious uses of narrow AI, rather than malicious strong AI. The only defense against a malicious strong AI is, of course, a friendly strong AI.

At the moment "strong AI" is science fiction so what could you possibly say about it? How do you even know what the "only defense" is?

Re: Preparing for Malicious Uses of AI

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Post by jl6 »

mwaitjmp wrote: post #25
strawcomb wrote: post #18

I would suggest that we shouldn't ever rely on digital archiving of important information. There should always be a copy of the information in analog, that can be dated & verified with analog methods.

This is one feature a blockchain excels at. People have stored the Bitcoin white paper in the blockchain. Anyone can then download it, and verify it is the untouched original.

You don’t really need the huge overhead of a block chain for that. You just need a hash and some redundant storage.
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