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Why I Collapsed on the Job

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Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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Burnout doesn't differentiate between gender, race, sexual orientation, social status or the size of your bank account.

Much like when I was in flying training and we were subjected to the altitude simulation pressure chamber so that we could each identify how we individually experienced the onset of hypoxia, I think it is important that everyone notates down the onset of burnout at home or at work.

For me, Stage 1 is when I start feeling myself getting irritable and snapping at those close to me for no reason at all. S2 is when I start having trouble sleeping, and get a really stiff neck leading to headaches. I've got to catch it at that point otherwise if it moves to S3 - crippling headaches, inability to focus on simple tasks or S4 - inability to even get out of a chair due to the feeling of extreme fatigue, then the recovery process is SO much longer and harder.

Keep a working journal, or better still, ask someone close to you that you can trust to note any out of character behavioural changes and advise you of them so that you can start to detect patterns and take action to mitigate.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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The point the author seems to make by peppering the article with these mentions of gender seems to be that burnouts in education are gender related.

These struggles are universal for all teachers, not just women. Saying 'xyz is hard in education, especially for women' creates an environment in which men should just suck it up and 'stop whining' because women have it truly hard.

Saying no to people is hard for many people of both genders and regardless of gender it is hard for couples to have children and both have a demanding career, whatever the underlying cause. Taking care of children and the house are not the only things that can cause stress outside of work and all of those reasons are not gender bound.

This sexist approach is unfair to the men in education who can't say no, have to take care of a family on their own, etc. Furthermore it signals to me that all of the other information in the article should be taken with a grain of salt just as an article on space exploration by a flat earther should be taken with a grain of salt.

This subjective approach should not be rewarded here on HN or anywhere else.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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The point the author seems to make by peppering the article with these mentions of gender seems to be that burnouts in education are gender related. These struggles are universal for all teachers, not just women. Saying 'xyz is hard in education, especially for women' creates an environment in which men should just suck it up and 'stop whining' because women have it truly hard. Saying no to people is hard for many pe…

>xyz is hard in education, especially for women' creates an environment in which men should just suck it up and 'stop whining' because women have it truly hard.

It isn't a competition. Everyone's experiences are valid and correct. That women, on average, face the problems of (profession) plus the problems of being a woman in (profession). This doesn't mean that men don't have problems, that their problems are somehow invalidated, or that they should "man up" and take it - the idea that men should do so is actually a problem of _men_ in (profession), because men also have their own set of problems.

That women generally, on average, face more and more significant issues does not invalidate anybody and should not cause a competition to find who is most disadvantaged. It should be one component of a rallying point by which everyone's lives can be improved, men and women and everyone else.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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The point the author seems to make by peppering the article with these mentions of gender seems to be that burnouts in education are gender related. These struggles are universal for all teachers, not just women. Saying 'xyz is hard in education, especially for women' creates an environment in which men should just suck it up and 'stop whining' because women have it truly hard. Saying no to people is hard for many pe…

Education is mostly filled with women.

Otherwise women aren't inclined to throw away their life for their job.

-- EDIT --

Sorry, was on mobile.

What I wanted to say is.

Normally, women aren't as fond as men to invest a big bunch of their life into their job. They have the skills, but realize they don't want to work 100h a week to get to the top, when 30h are more than enough to make enough money AND have freetime. They control their work life ballance much better than most men.

If you now see that >90% of people working in the education sector are women, it isn't surprising that they have more women with burnout. The more women a sector has, the more of women with burnout they have.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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TLDR: It's an anectode of "an associate professor of education-policy studies" at Penn State who suffered from burn-out.

I have no idea what we are supposed to take away from her story. Don't work too hard and learn to say no, I guess. There is no clear narrative and the article reeks of self pity (she does not get tired of mentioning that she's a "twice an immigrant" and a woman).

EDIT: what bothers me about the article is that there is no root cause analysis and no solution is offered.

Also, I am unsure the n-th order immigrant argument is valid. The very concept of a second order immigrant seems bizarre to me. And if they exist, it remains to be proven that k-th order immigrants have it strictly more difficult than l-th order immigrants for all k>l.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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Employers, as well as state institutions need to look more at the health of their employees. Even in Germany we have the problem that people at universities work way too much.

People need to be told to stop and take a step back. Hard borders are a necessity. No longer than 40 hours (better 35) per week for EVERYONE. Being it doctors, university professors, steal workers, teachers, cleaning personal.

There are enough resources and money flowing through society to enable everyone having work that pays to live and time to live itself. No need for multiple jobs and getting torn apart to make a living.

We are not in the time of industrialization. This time is long gone and we should be further than running people down and get a pair of new ones if they are broken.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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Burnout doesn't differentiate between gender, race, sexual orientation, social status or the size of your bank account. Much like when I was in flying training and we were subjected to the altitude simulation pressure chamber so that we could each identify how we individually experienced the onset of hypoxia, I think it is important that everyone notates down the onset of burnout at home or at work. For me, Stage 1 i…

I agree you need to catch it early. I often wonder what the most time-efficient form of mitigation is.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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post #8

Burnout doesn't differentiate between gender, race, sexual orientation, social status or the size of your bank account. Much like when I was in flying training and we were subjected to the altitude simulation pressure chamber so that we could each identify how we individually experienced the onset of hypoxia, I think it is important that everyone notates down the onset of burnout at home or at work. For me, Stage 1 i…

I agree you need to catch it early. I often wonder what the most time-efficient form of mitigation is.

Complete and total removal from the source until ready.

Re: Why I Collapsed on the Job

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post #8

Burnout doesn't differentiate between gender, race, sexual orientation, social status or the size of your bank account. Much like when I was in flying training and we were subjected to the altitude simulation pressure chamber so that we could each identify how we individually experienced the onset of hypoxia, I think it is important that everyone notates down the onset of burnout at home or at work. For me, Stage 1 i…

I agree you need to catch it early. I often wonder what the most time-efficient form of mitigation is.

The most time-efficient already implies you see burnout as something you just have to push through and get back to work. This is wrong; the most time-efficient way is to avoid getting it altogether. Stick to regular working hours, don't take your work home, stick to 5 working days a week if possible. And if you're in a managerial position, your job is to delegate work, not do things yourself anyway in addition to trying to delegate things.
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