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From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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Re: From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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There was an article in the WSJ yesterday that called the last 20 years of GE under CEO under Jeff Immelt “success theater” due to the underlying rot.

China is a country of “business theater”. They sure look like they’re doing business, lots of factories, tons of people in suits, cargo container ships, etc. But it’s all just a lie. It’s nothing but the 21st century planned economy version of the Soviet Union. It’s not even communism as much as simple totalitarianism. The only thing I haven’t figured out yet is if more than 50,000,000 million people are going to die, which was the same amount in 1958-1963 that died in totalitarian China, a number greater than the USSR and the Holocaust combined I would like to add.

Capitalism in the US sucks, but it’s very fixable. Capitalism in the 1910’s was far more horrible, but it was fixed beyond even today with the reforms of the 30’s-50’s, so I don’t want anyone to think my criticism of China is some apologia for capitalism right now.

This I do not believe in / don’t want to, but just so everyone is aware, the theory that really propelled Trump into office was that of the “fourth turning”, which Steve Bannon was a huge believer in. Essentially it’s the belief that every 80-90 years a massive war and change in Western government happens, stretching back to the British defeat of the Armada in 1588. As Christopher Coker wrote in “The Improbable War”, the next World War is most likely with China, a county with the manpower and resources to fight a grinding global battle against the US. We will see.

https://www.amazon.com/Improbable-War-United-States-Conflict...

Re: From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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This article is missing the key part where China blocked and limited products by major foreign tech giants such as Google, Facebook, Microsoft et al so homegrown Chinese variants could flourish.

When I first saw the headline, that’s specifically what I assumed it would be about!

Re: From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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There was an article in the WSJ yesterday that called the last 20 years of GE under CEO under Jeff Immelt “success theater” due to the underlying rot. China is a country of “business theater”. They sure look like they’re doing business, lots of factories, tons of people in suits, cargo container ships, etc. But it’s all just a lie. It’s nothing but the 21st century planned economy version of the Soviet Union. It’s no…

Everyone points to automation as the savior, but where is the Chinese Caterpillar? The Chinese Bosch? As far as I can tell, they still rely primarily on companies from the US, Japan, and Germany for their automated heavy industry.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Japanese-robot-ma...

Re: From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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There was an article in the WSJ yesterday that called the last 20 years of GE under CEO under Jeff Immelt “success theater” due to the underlying rot. China is a country of “business theater”. They sure look like they’re doing business, lots of factories, tons of people in suits, cargo container ships, etc. But it’s all just a lie. It’s nothing but the 21st century planned economy version of the Soviet Union. It’s no…

Everyone points to automation as the savior, but where is the Chinese Caterpillar? The Chinese Bosch? As far as I can tell, they still rely primarily on companies from the US, Japan, and Germany for their automated heavy industry. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Japanese-robot-ma...

There's multiple Chinese heavy equipment manufacturers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Heavy_machinery_manuf...

Have you compared sales numbers? The LiuGong article shows equipment used in other Asian countries and Africa.

Re: From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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There was an article in the WSJ yesterday that called the last 20 years of GE under CEO under Jeff Immelt “success theater” due to the underlying rot. China is a country of “business theater”. They sure look like they’re doing business, lots of factories, tons of people in suits, cargo container ships, etc. But it’s all just a lie. It’s nothing but the 21st century planned economy version of the Soviet Union. It’s no…

Everyone points to automation as the savior, but where is the Chinese Caterpillar? The Chinese Bosch? As far as I can tell, they still rely primarily on companies from the US, Japan, and Germany for their automated heavy industry. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Japanese-robot-ma...

China was able to copy Caterpillar very effectively, to the point where they are now eating Caterpillar's lunch. It is much harder for them to copy the precision machinery that German companies wouldn't dare to think of JV-ing in China.

Re: From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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There was an article in the WSJ yesterday that called the last 20 years of GE under CEO under Jeff Immelt “success theater” due to the underlying rot. China is a country of “business theater”. They sure look like they’re doing business, lots of factories, tons of people in suits, cargo container ships, etc. But it’s all just a lie. It’s nothing but the 21st century planned economy version of the Soviet Union. It’s no…

I think that you're missing the giant change that happened in the 1980s when China allowed people to openly amass wealth and start businesses. All of this led to all of the businesses and factories that you call fake.

If they kept trying to run a Soviet-style command economy they'd be at the same level of development as North Korea, with their fake grocery stores, rolling blackouts, and constant famine.

Re: From imitation to innovation: How China became a tech superpower

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It's not too hard! The steps on how it did anyone can follow, given they have the resources! Step One: Have 1/8 of the world's population in a densely populated region. Step Two: Don't actively harm people trying to innovate. Step Three: Wait.

Real Step Two: Just copy everything.
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