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Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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Drinking at work is one of the absolutely worst traits of tech. Not only is it totally unprofessional, but things like ‘Friday beers’ are actually presented by companies as a benefit, and you face major social and professional consequences for not participating. It’s obscene.

I'll gladly face those consequences. I don't drink. You're not going to pressure me into drinking. You're sure as hell not going to threaten my livelihood for not drinking and then act like I'm the one in the wrong.

But not everyone is like you. Some people will have negative consequences for it, and some will miss out on opportunities for it, and they plain shouldn't.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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I know you may have meant it sarcastically, but woodworking has a lot of traits that appeal to a software developer. I do it as a hobby and if I wasn’t a software engineer I would probably have a woodworking business of some sort. Better to be a programmer in a woodworking shop than woodworker in a WeWork.

I wasn't being sarcastic; I have seriously considered, especially recently after a couple of terrible work experiences, completely changing my life and getting away from tech forever. My young son loves working with his hands, so I've been considering picking up some power tools and such and learning something completely different. :)

Woodworking is an incredibly hobby, and woodworking side projects are much more satisfying than writing some worthless app on the side, especially if you produce pieces of furniture you can enjoy everyday in your own home.

However, it's not the cheapest hobby. I've spent thousands setting up a proper shop. But it has been fun. And if I wanted to I could easily make the money back building custom pieces of furniture for other people.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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> If this is the future of tech work, then I guess I'd better find another career--perhaps gardening or wood-working? Exactly. I can't imagine working in an environment like that. You don't want to hear me playing Smooth by Neil Cicierega[1], and I don't want to hear you playing rap. A work environment is not the place to be playing music for everyone around you. Constant generic music is the worst part of retail, an…

There's only going to be one kind of music in my coworking space, bagpipe music https://open.spotify.com/track/1bUM4KAW0426M6uELs43lm?si=ihC... . > Constant generic music is the worst part of retail, and that's saying something. And getting away from the front-of-house area saturated by muzak doesn't promise much relief, because in the employees-only areas of any blue-collar workplace it's a near-certainty you'll fin…

Many years ago, I worked on the production floor of a print shop. (I wasn't actually doing print work. I was a designer, but they hadn't built out the offices yet, so my Mac was literally sitting on a desk in the middle of the print room floor.)

Do you know how loud "Butterfly Kisses" — apparently the #1 through #40 top song during the time I was doing this — has to be cranked to make it audible over a web-fed offset printer and cutter? I do.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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There's a bias toward the negative in writing, which I think comes from the fact that people write as an attempt to solve problems. So you're always going to see more negative reporting on shared offices than positive. But I'm old enough to remember when private offices were still common, and there was a lot of negative writing about those too. As someone about to enter the software industry, I was very concerned tha…

Yeah, I'm not sure what "the common themes of rap are in tune with the company’s mission" means. Does it allude to "diregard females and acquire currency" rap, or "selling pharmaceuticals" rap, or something entirely different, like conscious "class struggle" rap? This reader wants to know.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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> The kitchen area, despite being an office staffed with supposed professionals, is always a mess. How does this happen? It's a common space, so it's nobody's. Especially in an environment like that, a collection of separated individuals

All it takes is one person to really mess it up. It's kind of like breaking the ice -- the barrier to actually making the area go from "clean" to "not clean" is much higher than just making it go from "messy" to "slightly messier". In an office with a dozen or more people there's a pretty high chance there's at least one person who is lazy, "too important" and/or "too busy" to clean up after themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory might be an interesting read.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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I work in a shared office / coworking space. We have 3 desks in a large open plan office with a kitchen area. It's about 10 feet from my desk. Most of the time it's just me from our company as the other devs work from home or work out the main office. My experience of working in this shared space: * It's noisy. I mean really noisy, noise cancelling headphones are a must. Like I said the kitchen area is near my desk,…

> * The kitchen area, despite being an office staffed with supposed professionals, is always a mess. How does this happen?

Have you ever had roommates ? I've never had a clean kitchen and roommates, and never had a dirty kitchen and no roommate (and by my own actions as well !).

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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They want an office that matches their personality. And apparently, that means beer on tap and lots of it. The office looked like the lobby of a hipster hotel. Over the next few weeks, we showed up each day and tapped away on MacBook Airs to the sounds of Portuguese house music and old-school hip hop piped in through speakers. (“Rap is urban, and so is WeWork,” the company explains online. “But more profoundly, the c…

Notice that you have two excellent start-up ideas here: * Shared gardening start up. * Shared space for wood-working start up (ok, these already exist). If developed properly, both are great acquisition targets for WeWork.

Community gardens also exist.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Actually Work in Shared Offices

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There's a bias toward the negative in writing, which I think comes from the fact that people write as an attempt to solve problems. So you're always going to see more negative reporting on shared offices than positive. But I'm old enough to remember when private offices were still common, and there was a lot of negative writing about those too. As someone about to enter the software industry, I was very concerned tha…

This is 100% the truth. I don’t know why it’s so hard to recognize different people have different working preferences, there’s no absolute correct arrangement. HN (rightfully) shoots down “anecdata”, but on this issue everyone’s fine with a sample size of 1? don’t just shout your preferences at everyone else, it turns these threads into useless repetitive noise.

But the problem is, the industry is trending toward just doing the open office thing. Cubes are on their way out, and places that offer private offices for developers are few and far between.

We're not the one's shouting our preferences at everyone else; we're the ones having the preferences of others thrust upon us.

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