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Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by u801e »

hnarn wrote: post #118
anfilt wrote: post #60

I don't understand the point of all these stupid chat apps... Discord, Slack ect... If you need real time there is IRC. Otherwise, just setup a mailing list.

You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? There's a difference between being "wrong" (which you're not), and realizing that 99,9% of people in the world aren't you. IRC will never be used for corporate communication. IRC usage has been declining…

> You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client?

And, to this day, Hotmail is still significantly slower and harder to use compared to Thunderbird. The only advantage is that it still has emails that I received almost 20 years ago.

> IRC will never be used for corporate communication.

As recently as last year, we were using IRC for corporate communication where I work. Fortunately, I'm still able to use the IRC gateway with Slack, but I really don't see any real advantage to using Slack over IRC on a work computer that's always connected. My client's logging easily beats what Slack provides.

> That's why they today have a market cap of over 500 billion US dollars.

I don't think it's because it solved a problem about keeping in touch. It's just an advertising platform and the reason why it has a market cap of that value.

> Slack made the concept of IRC usable for "normal people".

A decade or so ago, I communicated with many normal people over IRC and Usenet. More normal people were able to use chat clients like ICQ, and the various messenger clients (AOL, MSN, Yahoo, Google).

I simply don't see why people keep saying that Slack and hosted chat providers like it are some new innovation that people can finally use when they've been able to do so for the last several decades.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by pavel_lishin »

tootie wrote: post #94
pavel_lishin wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Hipchat is missing a lot of features that Slack has.

Like what? 99% of usage is just chat rooms. I could hook in build notifications and post gifs. HipChat had voice and video years before Slack.

Before I list everything: posting gifs is garbage. Things like giphy integration degrade the signal-to-noise ratio, and I rage against it in every chat app I use. Even in off-topic rooms it'll random make following a conversation annoying at best.

Anyway, hipchat's faults:

Search is garbage.

Editing a message is garbage.

Joining a room/messaging a specific person on mobile is annoying.

I'm not sure about how Slack handles it, but when a person leaves our company, our Hipchat chat history completely disappears. All those decisions we made with our old Product Manager via private message? Into the ether.

Want to delete a file you uploaded? Too bad. Maybe you can do it via the web interface?

Want to delete a message? Same deal.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by dasil003 »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #104
dasil003 wrote: post #97

Just don't fuck up Trello guys, for the love of god.

Trello seems to have lost it's use after it got made into a separate company. It seems to have gotten worse after it got bought out by Atlassian. No real intriguing features. Also, Atlassian used to be loved by developers, after it ipoed it just seems not loved

"Lost its use"? What kind of bizarro tech bubble is this where something solid which works and has stayed true to its essence is considered bad, and instead we demand an unrelenting churn that results in limply overcooked products inevitably jumping the shark (JIRA redesign I'm looking at you).

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by sencho »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #104
dasil003 wrote: post #97

Just don't fuck up Trello guys, for the love of god.

Trello seems to have lost it's use after it got made into a separate company. It seems to have gotten worse after it got bought out by Atlassian. No real intriguing features. Also, Atlassian used to be loved by developers, after it ipoed it just seems not loved

from Atlassian last earnings release in Oct 2017: "Trello continues to grow its user base at an impressive pace with more than 25 million registered users in over 100 countries, up from approximately 19 million at the start of the calendar year"

https://s2.q4cdn.com/141359120/files/doc_financials/Q12018/T...

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by atonse »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #95
jakelarkin wrote: post #93

biggest gripe with Atlassian is all their products are slow as hell. Hipchat was sluggish and buggy but at least they were steadily improving. Now everyone has to start over on a new platform (?) Confluence, how freakin long does it take to return a static info page, Seconds? As if visiting the HR subdomain wasn't painful enough already. Heaven forbid you click on something makes a POST request in JIRA, RIP developer…

Agreed. If anyone from Atlassian is reading this, the changes to Jira and Confluence make me think something is wrong there. I have been a faithful Jira user for over a decade and it has gotten markedly worse as a product in the past year. Maybe it's more profitable with app/marketplace, but the experience with multiple integrated apps is dog slow. Navigability has gotten worse. HipChat had uptime issues to the point…

I agree with this. In 2006 I was a huge fan of JIRA and it just felt like such a well designed app.

Now it has some kind of Designer disease, where it looks beautiful (truly, I love the style and fonts and colors), but I simply can't find my way around it. And I get very frustrated trying to do basic things because the app is also really slow (clearly 500ms+ per request). It's clear that it's still a server-side app and not a SPA which is the kind responsiveness everyone expects nowadays.

So our two person team went back to using Excel. Jira just takes too long to get things done with.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

x0x0 wrote: post #110
azinman2 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having extensively used both, Slack really is much better. Hipchat has a ton of reliability/usability issues and it’s clear _consumer-like_ product design is not Atlassian’s forte.

Also, HipChat circa 2016 was forced on my acquired company that had previously used slack. What a piece of shit that app is. HipChat just nuked the battery life on my stock nexus phone. I had never before gotten in an argument about a chat app, but HipChat made me passionate about using anything else.

I use it at my work and it works reliably ok on the desktop, but yes I agree the mobile app (at least the iPhone one) is absolutely garbage.

That said from everyday desktop use it’s not bad. It’s nowhere near as unreliable for me as other posters are commenting about.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by Can_Not »

u801e wrote: post #121
hnarn wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? There's a difference between being "wrong" (which you're not), and realizing that 99,9% of people in the world aren't you. IRC will never be used for corporate communication. IRC usage has been declining…

> You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? And, to this day, Hotmail is still significantly slower and harder to use compared to Thunderbird. The only advantage is that it still has emails that I received almost 20 years ago. > IRC will never b…

Slack is a quick sign up, and pay if you want history over 10,000 messages, all on day one less than five minutes. IRC, possibly available by hacks/add-ons and not by default or available via quick button, is missing chat history, loses messages when offline, doesn't support uploads, I'm not sure if there's any good mobile apps, but without some of the above, they'd be broken anyways. IRC's only real advantage over slack is that it's not Electron/Cordova based.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by u801e »

Can_Not wrote: post #127
u801e wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? And, to this day, Hotmail is still significantly slower and harder to use compared to Thunderbird. The only advantage is that it still has emails that I received almost 20 years ago. > IRC will never b…

Slack is a quick sign up, and pay if you want history over 10,000 messages, all on day one less than five minutes. IRC, possibly available by hacks/add-ons and not by default or available via quick button, is missing chat history, loses messages when offline, doesn't support uploads, I'm not sure if there's any good mobile apps, but without some of the above, they'd be broken anyways. IRC's only real advantage over s…

> Slack is a quick sign up

You don't even have to sign up to connect to IRC (though you can register with a nickserv if you want).

> and pay if you want history over 10,000 messages

IRC is only limited by disk space on your local machine.

> IRC, possibly available by hacks/add-ons and not by default or available via quick button, is missing chat history

I'm not sure what you're referring to, but pretty much every client can keep a log of messages sent and received separated by channel/dcc session.

> doesn't support uploads

You can send files to others via DCC.

In any case, the other messenger services I mentioned did not have a long sign up process either. Creating new accounts for AOL instant messenger didn't require much effort at all, for example. Their clients also handled logging much like an IRC client would.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by itomato »

madeofpalk wrote: post #68
ljm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems it stagnated. There wasn’t a real competitor to it until Slack turned up and developed a fantastic integration ecosystem (I don’t think there would be such a focus on conversational UI were it not for Slack, whether or not they intended that). By that time it was already too late, HipChat is old school, Slack is the new hotness. Anecdotally, anyone working in a startup with an opinion on design will know how…

FWIW, I observed that 'conversational UI' and chatbots came from the western tech industry trying to 'learn' from the successes of Asian platforms like WeChat.

I observed chatbots in IRC probably before you were born.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by ec109685 »

rlopezcc wrote: post #39
tootie wrote: post #2

What happened to HipChat? It was already the same thing as Slack for less money.

I was really disappointed when noticed they didn't have a way to report bugs. They had some kind of "Suggestions box", so I used that to report mine: Images wouldn't upload correctly when the chat room name started wih a slash (/dev/null in my case). They deleted the ticket and a few days later it was magically fixed. You will find pretty annoyed people if you search for "report hipchat bug".

Slack’s /feedback is stupendous. You get a human response in minutes. And they have live chat too.

Google for example makes it 1000x harder to give feedback and report bugs, which greatly limits the amount of quality feedback they get.

Anecdote: hangouts didn’t let us accept external users into a hangout today. Google will never know that because I have no easy way to tel them that.

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