Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by mannykannot » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

chrisper wrote: post #144

hobofan wrote: post #130

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Does it also check for a stopped engine? Here in Germany the laws regarding texting and driving only regard a car as not driving if it is standing still and the engine is turned off.

You don't have to interact with the ad. It goes away when you are driving again.

But if you did interact with the ad to accept whatever it is pushing, presumably you would be breaking the law.

It is not clear to me whether these ads are being presented in Germany, the UK or anywhere else where responding would be a violation.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by morsch » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

megy wrote: post #63

freshyill wrote: post #50

What I like about Waze: All the data other than the route itself, he location of speed traps most importantly. What I like about Apple Maps: The actual on-screen navigation experience. I find it’s the clearest about which lane I need to be in. Waze is terrible about weirdly-shaped intersections and ramps, both in the maps themselves and the instructions about where I need to be to turn/exit. If you think all the alle…

> he location of speed traps most importantly. How in any was is that legal or ethical to have that data available.

I don't think you can easily ban people telling each other about speed traps, and by extension having a program with similar features.

But I agree that it's an unethical feature. The people who have the most interest in it are the same people who routinely exceed the speed limit -- otherwise, what's the point!

Eh. If it were up to me, regular streetworthy cars would be both sensibly limited in power (say, 60 HP) and speed (say, 80 kph).

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by stephencanon » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

gerdesj wrote: post #183

mdip wrote: post #178

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One of the disadvantages of having round-abouts everywhere is that they aren't as well marked as they are in the states. In my area, they finally started putting these in where we used to have four-way stops and the traffic flow is much better. However, people in the states are utterly baffled by them since we don't encounter them regularly. So there's usually a sign almost a half-mile back explaining what lane you n…

Roundabouts in the US? - Amateurs: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5626214,-1.7700658,3a,75y,... However for pant wetting excitement in your car, I also recommend la Place du Concorde in Paris when its busy (its always busy). Its not a roundabout as such, more a loose agreement.

I used to think European roundabouts were exciting. Then I went to China.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by ctdonath » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:23 PM UTC

iainmerrick wrote: post #181

mdip wrote: post #177

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> "yes, now that you've shown me this ad, I would like you to stop the route I'm on now and take me 17 minutes out of my way to go to the nearest Burger King, thanks" is 0%. Oh my is that obnoxious . I'm a daily Waze user, personally, and I find this to be the stupidest dialog the app produces. It pops up every few times you end up stopped at a light -- the moment I want to look at the app to check the route it's sen…

Why do you put up with that? Why not just use a different app?

Most of the time I do. I only use Waze when on long-haul freeways, concerned about police & other traffic issues. I usually use Apple Maps as general runabout guidance, Google Maps when really concerned about best/scenic routes, Google Earth when interested in topography.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by Aoyagi » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:28 PM UTC

Well, too bad they didn't include HERE and especially TomTom... The selection they have is just a bunch of products whose purpose is to provide advertising and harvest data.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by ianmurrays » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:30 PM UTC

ooajim wrote: post #190

Does anyone outside the US and maybe the UK find any maps comparable to Google Maps? They are (Waze, Apple Maps, OpenStreet Maps) a step behind Google Maps, maybe with only exception being Yandex Maps.

Waze has more up-to-date maps than Google Maps in Chile, at least in my experience.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by gambiting » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:31 PM UTC

megy wrote: post #89

lolsal wrote: post #69

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What legal or ethical laws does it violate to have that data available?

Providing this information makes it easier for people to speed in other places, making the roads a more dangerous place. This rule has definitely cost lives. If you don't think it is unethical, then what is your definition?

Seeing how people react to unmarked speed cameras(police on the side of the road): full brakes with zero concern what is behind them, I'd say not telling people where cameras are is far more dangerous.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by forgotmypw » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:31 PM UTC

I used to swear by Waze, proselytizing to anyone who would listen, and otherwise. There are two main reasons I stopped using it altogether.

1) As tends to happen with our favorite apps, they started fucking with the UI. I don't remember exactly what it was at this point, but every release after Google's acquisition included some changes that made it less convenient and more aggravating.

2) I gave up having tower service and went wifi-only. Google Maps is very good at storing the map offline and recalculating without an Internet connection. Waze needs an internet connection every time a fly passes between you and the GPS satellite.

I still miss the police warnings, but I also changed my driving habits to where I don't need them anymore.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by more111 » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:32 PM UTC

This article is taking the estimated arrival time into account, but not sudden external influences like accidents or traffic jams. I’ve used Waze in São Paulo, throughout the UK and Germany, and find it to be very creative concerning route finding. In the same situations, Google Or Apple maps seem much more conservative and consider “riding out” the traffic jams instead of taking nifty shortcuts. Especially in São Paulo, that was a HUGE time saver.

Another feature I prefer with Waze is integrated speed limit display. I never had to endure any ads though in Waze, that’d be a reason to quit and switch.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by linopolus » Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 2:33 PM UTC

capkutay wrote: post #36

Just personally I'll never use Apple Maps because their customer/developer support suck. I've filed numerous tickets on one intersection that's been closed for 2.5 years in Downtown San Francisco of all places. Yet Apple Maps still routes uber drivers through there forcing them to do a 10 minute roundabout. When they pick me up I again have to direct them not to follow Apple Maps. I don't know why they persistently d…

Reminds me reading on some guy phoning his lyft drivers whether they're using Waze for a similar reason some days ago, may have even been on HN.

On the other hand, I in the starting days of apple maps noticed them having a baker in my neighbourhood twice. They got back via email I think a week or two after me reporting it, and a couple days later it was fixed, so maybe you're just not lucky here..