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Why is it hard to make friends over 30? (2012)

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As another commenter posted, I wished someone had told me this when I was younger. I never had a lot of friends in high school. I was a nerd when and where being a nerd was bad. I never really got the dynamic that mirrororing helps a lot with this and that I contributed to this by unwittingly coming across as aloof. What friends I had weren't... great. Frankly, after high school I never saw them again and honestly do…

How do people make friends?

Axiom: People want to have fun, relax, feel safe and be valued.

1. Availability Many people have what they want in terms of love and friendships. Do not focus on befriending them, it will likely peter out, with the best will in the world. Do not aim to befriend some big extrovert: if they want your friendship they will walk up to you and befriend you. You need to find situations where people are likely to be looking to form friendships. That means putting yourself out there and does take courage: meetups, clubs (chess? books? guns!), volunteering, activism, hiking, community activities etc...

2. Humility Open yourself up to friendship with any kind of person. Remove barriers: age, sex, race, religion, culture, politics, height, weight...whatever it is, leave it behind. Stop being judgemental: you find someone boring? Give them a chance. How exciting are you at first glance? It may be nerves. Most people have significant depths. Every human being is an amazing animal, full of potential. Accept that fact and you will be much more open to every opportunity. Re-evaluate your acquaintances based on that too.

3. Engagement Imagine you're someone else meeting yourself. How can you give them one of those axiomatic things they're seeking? The easiest thing to start with is make people feel valued. This is as simple as listening to what they say and paying attention to what they do. This means turning your attention away from what is happening in your own head. After a time, observe and mention positive things about the other person. Nobody will reject a compliment [1]. Patience is essential. Unless you're going to meet someone several times, then forget it. You are very unlikely to befriend someone you will only see once. That is why context matters. Accept that many encounters won't turn into friendship: interact with multiple people over time. Never reject a positive move towards you: an invitation, being included in a group, someone sitting next to you. Accept all of these positively. Make people feel safe: don't be pushy, clingy or discuss controversial or intimate topics (that's for when you're friends). People want to relax: you're an intense person (it appears to me)...but people don't know what's in your mind. Don't start sharing troubles or telling people what you think of yourself. Keep it vanilla and/or abstract - i.e. talk about topics or other people. They can learn about your intense nature later like when they care.

4. Grace I'm borrowing a religious term to describe moments in life when you have an opportunity to help people or change the understanding between yourself and another person. These are the moments that turn acquaintances into friends. These are not usually heroic in scale! Watch out for small opportunities to do something positive unasked for. Notice if an acquaintance suddenly reveals something about themselves - your reaction may change the nature of that relationship into a friendship.

You may have heard this kind of thing before. You may think it all sounds superficial and like hard bloody work. Humble yourself to it, if you really want friendship.

[1] Don't compliment people on their body, clothes or appearance until you know them well.

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People are a sum of their life experiences. People who are older, have more that goes into that equation. More often equates to complexity and intricacy, like a complicated key, that becomes harder and harder to find a lock for. In my early 20's, I was more open to hanging around people I know I didn't like, or wasn't compatible with, because I didn't want to be alone or without friends, craved attention, and saw eve…

At 47 it is a bit of the explore/exploit paradox for me - an optimal stopping problem.

As an introvert social interaction drains my mental energy so at some point you start investing more energy into enjoying your best friends than into making new friends.

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I'm 42, and I wish someone told me in my 20's it would be harder to make new friends as I got older. I would have done things differently. I would have put more effort into making friends then. I am able to make new friends, but they end up being more like acquaintances most of the time. Currently I am in grad school, and that's working out well for me. There's something about the shared camaraderie and shared suffer…

I met most of my current friends in my 30s. I think it's possible, you just have to prioritize it and put yourself out there in situations where you'll encounter the same people over and over again and can grow something over time because of it. Either sports, or games (board games has been pretty darn effective for me), or exercise (like going on hikes together), or volunteer work, or something. Like you said, grad…

I also met most of my friends in my late 20s and early 30s, after moving across the country multiple times when I was younger, severing friendships in the process.

What really helped me was getting into a bunch of hobbies and putting myself out there, starting kickboxing and crossfit, volunteering at a local historic motor race, going to concerts and festivals, music quizzes. Just a bunch of stuff that interestes me, and presumably interest people with a similar mindset as mine.

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People are a sum of their life experiences. People who are older, have more that goes into that equation. More often equates to complexity and intricacy, like a complicated key, that becomes harder and harder to find a lock for. In my early 20's, I was more open to hanging around people I know I didn't like, or wasn't compatible with, because I didn't want to be alone or without friends, craved attention, and saw eve…

If this were the case, it would be harder to find a romantic relationship as we age. Adjusting for life circumtance and type of relationship sought, I don't see evidence of this. What do you think?

According to my older female friends finding romantic relationships is getting harder for them.

My older male friends are less and less interested in romance as they report finding sex with no strings attached is getting easier with age.

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People are a sum of their life experiences. People who are older, have more that goes into that equation. More often equates to complexity and intricacy, like a complicated key, that becomes harder and harder to find a lock for. In my early 20's, I was more open to hanging around people I know I didn't like, or wasn't compatible with, because I didn't want to be alone or without friends, craved attention, and saw eve…

At 47 it is a bit of the explore/exploit paradox for me - an optimal stopping problem. As an introvert social interaction drains my mental energy so at some point you start investing more energy into enjoying your best friends than into making new friends.

As an extrovert, social interaction still drains my mental energy. If anything I find myself even more obligated than you do to hold up my end of the conversation because that's the social expectation. This can be horribly exhausting when I'm simply not in the mood.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"it's just hard to meet people in the first place" If it's hard, it's usually a psychological difficulty rather than a lack of opportunity. Unless you live somewhere exceptionally remote, you're usually surrounded by people and opportunities for meeting them are quite frequent. You could strike up conversations most anywhere: from streets to bus stops to parks to bars to dance and social clubs to special interest gro…

So I go up to the pharmacist. He's an older gent about my dad's age. We know each other since I pick up my script for sleep issues every month. "How you doing today?" "Oh, you know how it is." He gives me a weak smile. I can tell he feels worn down from the daily grind. I pick up my script, then think of a way to keep chatting. "Hey, this is going to sound weird, but I also have medical condition. Do you have any adv…

OT: FWIW, in UK (and France, Spain, Kenya as I recall from visits) pharmacists do prescribe to a limited degree. All the local pharmacies to me [except supermarket pharmacies] have small consulting areas with a closed door where you can chat about your ailments.

NHS I think are keen to encourage use of pharmacists for minor ailments.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a uniquely Anglo cultural thing, in the backdrop of a stricter gender norms formed out of industrialization. Everybody is so afraid of being seen as gay while maintaining a front of being politically correct about it (I suppose there is genuine fear of being publicly labelled a homophobe or a racist). In almost all parts of the world, there's nothing wrong with grown men hanging out or grabbing drinks…

Perversely, in some very homophobic cultures, men hold hands with men because they are so homophobic that there is not even an insinuation that they might be willing to publicly show homosexual inclinations, so handholding is assumed platonic.

Which cultures?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 47 it is a bit of the explore/exploit paradox for me - an optimal stopping problem. As an introvert social interaction drains my mental energy so at some point you start investing more energy into enjoying your best friends than into making new friends.

As an extrovert, social interaction still drains my mental energy. If anything I find myself even more obligated than you do to hold up my end of the conversation because that's the social expectation. This can be horribly exhausting when I'm simply not in the mood.

Textbook introvert. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversio...

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One anecdatum: I simply lost most interest in having friends by 25. I lost the rest when I had a kid. Now my friends are my daughter’s friends parents. I don’t really like them, I just end up chit chatting with them while our daughters play.

Are you male? I don't want to assume. But as a woman this is something that really concerns me about the guys I and my friends date. I see my father doing the same thing. Once they get into a stable relationship they seem to think that there's no need for a social life beyond their girlfriend, coworkers, and maybe one or two very close old friends... but those old friends tend to drift away. The reason it bothers me…

I don't think that's gender related, though I don't have data to confirm this, only an anecdote. In my relationship it's the other way round - I'm usually the one responsible for organizing dinner with friends, nights out, trips etc. and my girlfriend can happily spend weeks at home without going out.
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