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Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by rimliu »

derefr wrote: post #102
efrafa wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In europe you usuallly have warning before speedtrap. You can also hear about them in fm radio. The point is to slow down, not to get you a ticket..

Why not just put in speedbumps every few miles, then?

There is another solution which is being implemented in my country: average speed traps. Instead of the measuring your momentary speed it measures the time you take to go over some particular distance and then calculates your average speed. If it is over the limit, you are in trouble.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by _carl_jung »

mseebach wrote: post #128
username223 wrote: post #92

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How do these things even exist? Obviously the people in the cars don't want them, and will never use them. Even the people A/B testing them should eventually figure that out.

I suppose it's the "better horse" paradox. A/B testing can only get you incremental improvements, to make the leap from a really good horse to a car, you need to make a bet and sustain it for a bit to get people comfortable enough to decide to try it out. That's not to say that whatever Waze is doing is a good idea, but that may well be the underlying mechanism for why they're trying.

> better horse

I've been looking for a way to articulate this problem in A/B testing, thanks.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by dingaling »

hobofan wrote: post #130
chrisper wrote: post #125

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The ads only come when you are fully stopped (e.g. traffic light).

Does it also check for a stopped engine? Here in Germany the laws regarding texting and driving only regard a car as not driving if it is standing still and the engine is turned off.

How does that integrate with the prevalence of stop-start engine technology nowadays?

In the UK it is only permissible if the engine is off AND the car is parked in a recognised or safe parking area. Engine off waiting at junction is not sufficient.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by JorgeGT »

Fej wrote: post #115

This might be right, but n is so small that the results are meaningless. This field is so complex and the variables innumerable that n = 40 per app cannot possibly result in trustworthy findings. I don't mean to disparage the author, this is really interesting and I'd love to know the answer, as well as many others here I imagine. I'm just not sure how to go about acquiring the data unless you're Google or Apple.

It would help if instead of just the average the author plotted error bars with a measure of the deviation: standard deviation, coefficient of variation, etc.

It may very well happen that the dispersion of the travel times is high enough to render fine differences in mean statistically meaningless.

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Post by Odenwaelder »

dingaling wrote: post #133
hobofan wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it also check for a stopped engine? Here in Germany the laws regarding texting and driving only regard a car as not driving if it is standing still and the engine is turned off.

How does that integrate with the prevalence of stop-start engine technology nowadays? In the UK it is only permissible if the engine is off AND the car is parked in a recognised or safe parking area. Engine off waiting at junction is not sufficient.

It is the same in Germany.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by maccard »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #81

I used to be a huge Waze fan, and I do still use it, but both Apple Maps and Google Maps provide much better UX in a lot of ways: I really miss lane guidance, for instance. I think Waze still has the best traffic guidance, but I'm pretty sure the number of times I've clicked "yes, now that you've shown me this ad, I would like you to stop the route I'm on now and take me 17 minutes out of my way to go to the nearest…

> I really miss lane guidance, for instance

Can I ask why? Having driven in both the US and europe and used GMaps in both places, I've found the lane guidance to be borderline useless. For the most part, lanes are intuitive (turning right - right lane), and when they're not, Google often gets them wrong.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by germanier »

dingaling wrote: post #133
hobofan wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it also check for a stopped engine? Here in Germany the laws regarding texting and driving only regard a car as not driving if it is standing still and the engine is turned off.

How does that integrate with the prevalence of stop-start engine technology nowadays? In the UK it is only permissible if the engine is off AND the car is parked in a recognised or safe parking area. Engine off waiting at junction is not sufficient.

Stop-start is not sufficient to satisfy the criteria. This is now mentioned explicitly in the law.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by germanier »

Odenwaelder wrote: post #135
dingaling wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that integrate with the prevalence of stop-start engine technology nowadays? In the UK it is only permissible if the engine is off AND the car is parked in a recognised or safe parking area. Engine off waiting at junction is not sufficient.

It is the same in Germany.

Using your phone at an intersection is completely legal in Germany as long as you turn your car off. Not that anyone would advise you to do so.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps vs. Waze

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Post by maccard »

dawnerd wrote: post #91
epberry wrote: post #18

One feature I miss in navigation services is an ability to choose the “easy” route. For example, I live in the Midwest and usually I’d rather take the interstate, even if it’s 5 minutes longer, than a series of country roads. Obviously you can choose this when you know where you’re going but forget it if you’re in an unfamiliar area. A simple heuristic for this would be which route involves the fewest different roads…

This!! I prefer to take roads wheres theres protected turns if its making me take a left. I hate trying to take a left onto a highway from a small road. Really need an option to prefer bigger roads.

Does google not already do this? I drove in the US for the first time a month ago, and GMaps regularly had us take 3 rights and add 3 miles on to save us taking a left turn (which I ignored once I figured out what was going on)
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