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Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by anfilt »

u801e wrote: post #76
anfilt wrote: post #60

I don't understand the point of all these stupid chat apps... Discord, Slack ect... If you need real time there is IRC. Otherwise, just setup a mailing list.

> If you need real time there is IRC. The problem with IRC is that you cannot get chat history of a channel unless you configure a bouncer to do it for you. On that note, what's your opinion on XMPP? We used to use a XMPP server for internal company communication and the server was configured to replay the chat history to a client when it connected. > Otherwise, just setup a mailing list. That has a similar problem t…

You could do that as well with IRC.

I like IRC since the protocol is so simple you could almost type in a raw telnet session live.

That simplicity also means it's not to hard to add additional things to it. If you want.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by Fishkins »

bpicolo wrote: post #18
patrickaljord wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it sounds silly but I believe the main reason for HipChat failing is mostly because the name was so uncool.

More likely it's just that HipChat isn't a great product experience. As an example, the only way to edit a message is to use a sed-style "s/foo/bar", which is absurd. Because of this, you can't edit messages other than the most recent one, and if you want to edit one instance of "foo" but not another instance of "foo" you're out of luck. That's a terrible piece of UX even if you're in the only subset of users (softwa…

One time I was trying to correct and "its" that should've been an "it's", but I didn't realized there was a preceding, correct "its" in the post. I ended up changing that "its" to an incorrect "it's", while also leaving the following incorrect "its". It was inconsequential, but very frustrating.

As a sibling comment said, the main reason my team abandoned Hipchat for Slack was Hipchat was hopelessly buggy and unreliable at the time we tried to use it.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by nmjenkins »

angled wrote: post #58
_xzxj wrote: post #13

I don't know what it is about Atlassian's branding but it always feels uncomfortably corporate to use any of their software. I'm worried that if I start using Atlassian software I'm going to have to buy inexpensive business-casual clothes, commute an hour and 15 minutes both ways, make small talk with Janet from accounting by the coffee machine while my mocha latte brews, and get Greg my middle-manager my self-assess…

And here I am, sitting during my 1.5 hour commute, thinking about how I should buy some more work-appropriate casual clothes because no one else wears suits at this site, and what free or inexpensive software we could use to make a project team collaborate more effectively... What other "enterprise ready" solutions are there for this purpose? My other options based on the team's familiarity with them are are O365 (Sh…

https://topicbox.com – as Slack is to IRC, Topicbox is to mailing lists.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by lev99 »

tootie wrote: post #57
ljm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems it stagnated. There wasn’t a real competitor to it until Slack turned up and developed a fantastic integration ecosystem (I don’t think there would be such a focus on conversational UI were it not for Slack, whether or not they intended that). By that time it was already too late, HipChat is old school, Slack is the new hotness. Anecdotally, anyone working in a startup with an opinion on design will know how…

Yeah, no kidding. My last company was up in arms to replace HipChat with Slack even though they were 99% identical. There hasn't been a significant innovation in chat technology in like 30 years yet the business sector is more frothy than ever.

The core tech hasn't changed a ton, but slack is a good chat program for how people use computers in the modern age. If it encourages communication among your organization it's probably worth adopting, even at the higher price. I don't have numbers, but I was in an organization the switched and mobile use of slack was higher than hipchat.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by lev99 »

asda22sdasd wrote: post #66
encoderer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdata: The SaaS service I run has integrations with both -- Slack has literally 10x the number of integrated channels.

You integrated slack 10x more in your SaaS?

My understanding was 10x more of his users integrate with slack than hipchat.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by hungryducks »

anfilt wrote: post #60

I don't understand the point of all these stupid chat apps... Discord, Slack ect... If you need real time there is IRC. Otherwise, just setup a mailing list.

I agree, I hate all the constant spam of messages but my company uses Slack so I have to as well. Slack does have a colorblind theme, so I guess I got that going for me, which is nice.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by crad »

Sad thing is there isn’t even baseline feature parity. Not sure what’s going to happen when they give my org a date to move by. Without some of the more enterprisey features, we can’t move to Stride.

Oh and the FU on all of our existing integration use is cute.

They should have released it as a UI improvement for HipChat, not a whole new ecosystem.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by u801e »

anfilt wrote: post #81
u801e wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you need real time there is IRC. The problem with IRC is that you cannot get chat history of a channel unless you configure a bouncer to do it for you. On that note, what's your opinion on XMPP? We used to use a XMPP server for internal company communication and the server was configured to replay the chat history to a client when it connected. > Otherwise, just setup a mailing list. That has a similar problem t…

You could do that as well with IRC. I like IRC since the protocol is so simple you could almost type in a raw telnet session live. That simplicity also means it's not to hard to add additional things to it. If you want.

> You could do that as well with IRC.

You mean replaying channel chat history on the server side without having to use a bouncer?

> I like IRC since the protocol is so simple you could almost type in a raw telnet session live.

That is true and it makes writing bots relatively easy. From what I've read about XMPP, it appears that most languages have libraries to abstract the XMPP protocol to make writing a bot easier.

Re: Stride, Atlassian’s Slack competitor, opens its API to all developers

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Post by bradgessler »

hkchad wrote: post #49

Long time hipchat user here (both DC and Cloud), the rollout of Stride rubbed me all kinds of wrong ways. They 'replaced' HipChat w/ Strie but didn't keep many of the same features/integrations and then FORCED you to switch by a deadline. I get upgrades and progress, but how about rolling upgrade, swap out the client, move everyone over automatically and not pain your users? For my team, we said screw it and 'migrate…

Same. Stride is just a worse implementation of Slack with less features. They even got rid of the “good parts” of HipChat, mainly that the macOS client doesn’t idle at 5% CPU, and replaced it with a full blow Electron client that had the same problems as Slack.

Honestly I’m a bit dumbfound how they are handling the transition. I bet they end up losing a lot of customers to Slack.

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