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Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

no1youknowz wrote: post #11
jstanley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I'm not having a photo of my face and the inside of my home associated with every online purchase. That's ludicrous.

I agree. From a consumer point of view, you are welcome to take that position. However, my comment was purely from a credit card processor, acquirer or even bank. At the end of the day, if something like this was introduced. You are free to not comply, pay with an alternative method or shop elsewhere.

>You are free to not comply, pay with an alternative method or shop elsewhere

You are increasingly not free to choose an alternative, given the increasing centralization of the "too big to fail" finance and tech industries.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by Nullabillity »

no1youknowz wrote: post #11
jstanley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I'm not having a photo of my face and the inside of my home associated with every online purchase. That's ludicrous.

I agree. From a consumer point of view, you are welcome to take that position. However, my comment was purely from a credit card processor, acquirer or even bank. At the end of the day, if something like this was introduced. You are free to not comply, pay with an alternative method or shop elsewhere.

From a fraud-prevention POV this is idiotic as well, given how susceptible systems like this are to replay attacks.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by cryptoz »

nabeards wrote: post #7
jstanley wrote: post #3

Please, no. This has to be a parody. > Banks don’t want private account details (like the user’s current balance and credit limits etc) being seen by anybody other than the account holder. This is exactly the kind of justification they'd use. And surprise surprise there won't be a box that says "I'd rather risk somebody seeing my account details than have a biometric model of my face stored in your database and given…

Do people really consider the ethics of introducing tech like this? I guess it just comes down to a consequentialism vs deontology whether someone thinks this is a good idea. And, obviously, if they don't do it, I guess someone else will?

The article says,

> Like any technology, we need to consider the ethics of its application carefully so we don’t build tools that are open to abuse, or worst case, terminators that can travel through time to kill people.

So no, they took the opportunity to clear up any fears or concerns about the project and used it to make a really, really scary joke about robots specifically designed to identify individuals by using cameras and kill them with guns.

Nobody at this project gave one real thought about ethics. Ethically, you can't make that joke about your software, it's nauseating.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by gruez »

tekromancr wrote: post #13
danso wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some more info about ProctorU (for others who haven't heard about it): https://www.chronicle.com/article/Behind-the-Webcams-Watchfu... > Rather than one proctor sitting at the head of a physical classroom and roaming the aisles every once in a while, remote proctors peer into a student's home, seize control of her computer, and stare at her face for the duration of a test, reading her body language for signs of impro…

Online proctoring is actually a really busy space in edtech. There are numerous companies with products deployed that are fully automated. They record videos of students taking the tests through a webcam, then send the analysis back to the instructors highlighting which videos are worth watching.

I never got the point of that. You can use a hdmi/dvi splitter to allow your accomplice to see your screen, and you can use your monitor's PIP function to allow your accomplice to send messages to you. both of which are totally undetectable to the student's computer.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by cryptoz »

IntronExon wrote: post #20
chrisvalleybay wrote: post #17

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For most people, the biometric model of their face is available to nearly anyone. Most people have multiple profile photos available on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn etc.

As someone who has been careful about not doing that for a couple of decades, just fuck me, hm?

How careful have you been about that? Do you just mean not uploading your own profile photo to sites?

What about any birthday parties or group pictures you might be in? Photos for a work event or with friends?

Unless you've been very careful not to appear in any public photos of any kind, especially ones taken by your family and friends (as it is easily traced to you), then I would expect you have just as much of an online photo-profile identity as anyone else.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by IntronExon »

cryptoz wrote: post #36
IntronExon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has been careful about not doing that for a couple of decades, just fuck me, hm?

How careful have you been about that? Do you just mean not uploading your own profile photo to sites? What about any birthday parties or group pictures you might be in? Photos for a work event or with friends? Unless you've been very careful not to appear in any public photos of any kind, especially ones taken by your family and friends (as it is easily traced to you), then I would expect you have just as much of an…

I’ve been that weirdly careful, yes. I’ve searched for a picture of me, and have only ever found a grainy one from two decades ago. That is it.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by tzahola »

jstanley wrote: post #9
no1youknowz wrote: post #8

I can see from a privacy standpoint, this may cause some concern. However, from a credit card processor point of view and combating "friendly fraud". This could be an excellent tool to prevent that. For example. The scenario where a transaction has been processed and 6 weeks later, it is disputed because the card holder doesn't recognise the transaction. Perhaps the wife used the husbands card whilst he was in the sh…

No. I'm not having a photo of my face and the inside of my home associated with every online purchase. That's ludicrous.

You would still be free to checkout without face ID.

Of course this would incur a slight fee on the final sum, and buyer protections would be void, but you would still be free to opt out :-)

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by cryptoz »

IntronExon wrote: post #37
cryptoz wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How careful have you been about that? Do you just mean not uploading your own profile photo to sites? What about any birthday parties or group pictures you might be in? Photos for a work event or with friends? Unless you've been very careful not to appear in any public photos of any kind, especially ones taken by your family and friends (as it is easily traced to you), then I would expect you have just as much of an…

I’ve been that weirdly careful, yes. I’ve searched for a picture of me, and have only ever found a grainy one from two decades ago. That is it.

If you've been that careful, then props to you. Good job.

> I’ve searched for a picture of me, and have only ever found a grainy one from two decades ago. That is it.

But that's not what I mean.

Facebook knows who you are. Maybe you can't find it yourself using search terms, but that's not the point. You have a Facebook profile with an email and a set of pictures and a social web connected, I'm sure, even if you've never signed up. There's just a db flag set that says 'waiting for this person to sign up'.

Facebook knows.

Re: Face-verify.js: Monitoring who is physically looking at a website

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Post by IntronExon »

cryptoz wrote: post #39
IntronExon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been that weirdly careful, yes. I’ve searched for a picture of me, and have only ever found a grainy one from two decades ago. That is it.

If you've been that careful, then props to you. Good job. > I’ve searched for a picture of me, and have only ever found a grainy one from two decades ago. That is it. But that's not what I mean. Facebook knows who you are. Maybe you can't find it yourself using search terms, but that's not the point. You have a Facebook profile with an email and a set of pictures and a social web connected, I'm sure, even if you've n…

That could be, it I’ve never uploaded a picture of me anywhere, and I avoid having my picture taken. I’ve never had a social media account with my real identity either, and never had an FB profile, period.
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