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Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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I think it's 25km/h but those streets are pretty narrow and filled with pedestrians. Normal speed limits on those streets is 30km/h so driving between 20 and 30 seems right.

The video should be watched at 0.25 speed to get the realistic impression.

But the speedo will always stay the same

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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If anyone was going to focus on making sure their self-driving car could drive in snow, it'd be the Russians. Mind you, self-driving when snow has coated all your landmarks is definitely impressive, but the title made me think it'd be driving in snow . Which it isn't. The roads are, what we'd call in Chicago, "clear". The car is not driving in/on snow or ice in this scenario, which is something I do regularly every w…

Yeah, as a New Englander, that's not what I call driving after a heavy snowfall.

Yeah, that's nothing, judging by the amount of snow on the parked cars and roofs of houses, there's an inch or two of snow. Maybe "Self Driving car on Moscow streets after a light flurry"

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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I hope that this is not the normal speed of the video. It looks a dangerous situation for pedestrians to me, specially in urban roads and streets.

There's a 4x indicator in the top right corner.

Few, for a moment I though that driving like at 100Km/h in a narrow slippy street navigating random pedestrians was a cultural thing from Moscow.

The video deserves a second view, with a proper BSO :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bx20cflBBk

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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If that is after a heavy snowfall they need to test in Canada.

Maybe it's also after cleaning streets right after heavy snowfall? :) For snow-covered roads we'll have to wait for reports from, say, Chelyabinsk. Or Tomsk, or Novosibirsk...

I expect this point of contention is that the snowfall wasn't all that heavy. In Canada we typically don't think of snowfall as being heavy until you're pushing 30cms (12 inches) in a single snowfall event. Indictors suggest that they'd be lucky if they received 5cms in this single event, and have no more than 30cms from all of the snowfall events the city has received.

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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So this video features a self-driving car developed by Yandex. Does someone have insight into why so many big tech companies seem to all be in agreement that developing self-driving cars is an area they need to be pursuing? Is it mostly everyone looking at what Google is doing and replicating that? Or is it the getting swept up by the Uber hype? Or is working on self-driving car software just such a natural extension…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yandex.Taxi

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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I'd be impressed if I see a self-driving car making a left turn in a crowded junction without a specific left-turn signal at LA. The only way to turn left in such roads is to make an illegal turn after the signal just becomes red. I wonder how the self-driving car would do in such a situation.

Ideally, isn't the point to have only autonomous vehicles and these situations become obsolete?

And computer-driven pedestrians, too - the car had to stop multiple times for turning left/right across a pedestrian crossing which was green at the time. (If you have watched the video, you have seen that most potentially dangerous situations did not originate from cars.)

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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Equally impressive would be four self driving cars turning left (in right-hand traffic) at equal priority intersection. At least in my country the rules are muddy in this case and no car has explicit priority. The most general "priority in right" loops around and cars should be stuck there indefinitely :)

I like to imagine to avoid such situations there would some kind of control on the dash that allows a stalemate to be overridden (not the steering wheel :P). It would be great if it were a "give way" button rather than a "I'm going now" button.

Doesn't matter how the controls look - you can't have the cake of Level 5 autonomy and eat it too by having a human giving control inputs.

(GP: That's actually easy: random exponential binary backoff. It works for other domains quite well.)

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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How often would the magnets need to be replaced?

As often as the asphalt topping.

Uh-oh. In other words, there's a smart road ahead, you can 100% trust it. Except when it's not there, because it hasn't been maintained for decades, and it's unclear where the missing pieces are. Can't see what could possibly go wrong.

Plus there's also no incentive for anyone to waylay the smart road off the physical road, because there are no evil people (i.e. with motives that are incompatible with the vehicle's survival).

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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Ultimately I think it'll have to be smart highways. You could embed a coded marker in the centre of each lane which the car can pick up using RF (e.g. an induction loop). This plus other constraints like GPS, visual-inertial odometry, etc should be enough to localise and remain safely within a lane boundary even if it's invisible. This would work fine through a layer of snow - some of the more expensive ski jackets h…

It's hard to see how we could get from where we are right now, infrastructure-wise, to there, at least here in the US. We can barely keep our roads driveable in some places, much less modernized with the latest in smart beacons and such.

It wouldn't necessarily need to be in-road, but there are numerous places where you could adapt. For instance, cats-eyes in the UK (retro-reflective markers) are placed on virtually all motorways at lane boundaries and the car could look for a signature from them (I imagine at night, autonomous cars already use them as a feature for lane boundary detection). Nobody bats an eyelid about re-setting cats-eyes every time a bit of road is replaced. You could also put boundary markers on either side of the road, in the central reservation or something similar.

The idea would to put the smart tech in the car. What's going at the roadside could be made very cheaply and integrated into existing features without needing to rip up the entire road.

Other countries have toll highways which are well maintained, that's another option for installation.

I don't see this happening in rural/country lanes, the cost would be obscene (but again, we do liberally use reflectors in the UK). I also don't see this as a panacea, it would simply be a backup in horrendous weather.

Re: Self-driving car on Moscow streets after snowfall [video]

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Canadian perspective: This is very clear. Much more challenging is something like a multi-lane highway where the road markings have completely disappeared under snow. I'll be impressed when it can drive from Hope into the BC interior in winter in conditions that a human driver can handle with winter tires and possibly studs, but no need for chains. https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=coq...

Accurate GPS and a well mapped area can give the car a precise road lane when snow is present.

That's easy if you're not, say, in a winding, narrow, deep canyon, such as you might find in a mountain pass. Which is, for related reasons, the same place you'll find the heaviest snow cover. Also for related reasons, "well mapped areas" are around where people live, as opposed to - again - places where you could expect uncleared snow.

"Works great near my house, might accidentally kill you if you try to ride it outside the happy path" is somewhat underwhelming.

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