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Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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scarface74 wrote: post #800
leereeves wrote: post #798

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Confirmation bias? Hillary Clinton said that after the election. https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-future-is-female-hillary-clin... If we agree that's a loaded term, perhaps we can also agree that in terms of dividing people by race and gender, Trump isn't so different from many leaders on the left. He's merely the first Republican who plays the game of identity politics that the left has played for so long. I think it'…

“the first republican that plays identity politics”? Have you ever heard of the “Southern Strategy”?

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Post by leereeves »

scarface74 wrote: post #800
leereeves wrote: post #798

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Confirmation bias? Hillary Clinton said that after the election. https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-future-is-female-hillary-clin... If we agree that's a loaded term, perhaps we can also agree that in terms of dividing people by race and gender, Trump isn't so different from many leaders on the left. He's merely the first Republican who plays the game of identity politics that the left has played for so long. I think it'…

“the first republican that plays identity politics”? Have you ever heard of the “Southern Strategy”?

I've heard of it. It's BS.

It was a Republican, Eisenhower, who sent the army to enforce school integration after the Brown v Board of Education decision. Nixon [often accused of this "Southern Strategy"] was Vice President at the time.

And a much higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409

But the Democrats are certainly good at rewriting history in their favor.

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Post by guelo »

peoplewindow wrote: post #682
scarface74 wrote: post #572

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There are different types of people that call themselves conservative. The Bush's were both pro-business conservatives, but never really expoused the type of populism that Trump does. You could admit in polite company that you supported the Bushes, or Romney. You really can't admit that you support Trump in polite company without being judged harshly.

Your memory of that time is significantly different to mine. I recall Bush being constantly vilified by the left for having a tiny intellect, for constantly making gaffes like "is our children learning", for the Iraq war (he's a war criminal etc), for drone strikes, for supporting torture, for not caring about the environment at all - especially the shock when a simple minded Texan oilman won out over intellectual cl…

Similar to the demonization of Obama by the right.

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Post by BenSahar »

Fins wrote: post #604
BenSahar wrote: post #353

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Are you so sure about the rioting in Berkley? It takes two to tango.

You don't need two to break store windows. And as silly and ignorant as Coulter is, at the moment when one starts saying that she does not have a right to speak here, one signs off on his moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

We must be referring to different riots.

I was referring to the one where morons from both sides decided to show up with weapons and assault each other.

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Post by scarface74 »

leereeves wrote: post #802
scarface74 wrote: post #800

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“the first republican that plays identity politics”? Have you ever heard of the “Southern Strategy”?

I've heard of it. It's BS. It was a Republican, Eisenhower, who sent the army to enforce school integration after the Brown v Board of Education decision. Nixon [often accused of this "Southern Strategy"] was Vice President at the time. And a much higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409 But the Democrats are c…

Yes and after Lyndon Johnson - a Democrat signed the civil rights act, the south turned against the Democratic Party. But here is the southern Strategy in Lee Atwater’s own words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ

And you have heard of Strom Thurman haven’t you?

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Post by leereeves »

scarface74 wrote: post #805
leereeves wrote: post #802

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I've heard of it. It's BS. It was a Republican, Eisenhower, who sent the army to enforce school integration after the Brown v Board of Education decision. Nixon [often accused of this "Southern Strategy"] was Vice President at the time. And a much higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409 But the Democrats are c…

Yes and after Lyndon Johnson - a Democrat signed the civil rights act, the south turned against the Democratic Party. But here is the southern Strategy in Lee Atwater’s own words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ And you have heard of Strom Thurman haven’t you?

Yes, I've heard of Strom Thurman. One of three Southern Democrats who switched parties, I believe.

I've also heard of the many racist Southern Democrats who opposed civil rights and remained Democrats after 1964 (many much longer), including: John Stennis, Herman Talmadge, James Eastland, Allen Ellender, Russell Long, John Sparkman, John McClellan, Richard Russell, George Wallace, Lester Maddox, John Rarick, Robert Byrd, and Al Gore, Sr.

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Post by scarface74 »

leereeves wrote: post #806
scarface74 wrote: post #805

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Yes and after Lyndon Johnson - a Democrat signed the civil rights act, the south turned against the Democratic Party. But here is the southern Strategy in Lee Atwater’s own words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ And you have heard of Strom Thurman haven’t you?

Yes, I've heard of Strom Thurman. One of three Southern Democrats who switched parties, I believe. I've also heard of the many racist Southern Democrats who opposed civil rights and remained Democrats after 1964 (many much longer), including: John Stennis, Herman Talmadge, James Eastland, Allen Ellender, Russell Long, John Sparkman, John McClellan, Richard Russell, George Wallace, Lester Maddox, John Rarick, Robert B…

So why would Democrats switch parties if they didn’t think the other party was in line with their beliefs. Whike Zell Miller was purportedly a Democrat, he actively campaigned for Republican Presidential candidates.

But are you really going to defend the Party of Trump as being inclusive?

Are you really claiming that the Southern Strategy didn’t exist despite the words of Lee Atwater?

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Post by leereeves »

scarface74 wrote: post #807
leereeves wrote: post #806

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Yes, I've heard of Strom Thurman. One of three Southern Democrats who switched parties, I believe. I've also heard of the many racist Southern Democrats who opposed civil rights and remained Democrats after 1964 (many much longer), including: John Stennis, Herman Talmadge, James Eastland, Allen Ellender, Russell Long, John Sparkman, John McClellan, Richard Russell, George Wallace, Lester Maddox, John Rarick, Robert B…

So why would Democrats switch parties if they didn’t think the other party was in line with their beliefs. Whike Zell Miller was purportedly a Democrat, he actively campaigned for Republican Presidential candidates. But are you really going to defend the Party of Trump as being inclusive? Are you really claiming that the Southern Strategy didn’t exist despite the words of Lee Atwater?

Rather than ask me to explain why three people switched parties, you should explain why so many Southern segregationists (all but 3) didn't switch parties if the Democrats were suddenly the party of civil rights.

And the claim that interview with Lee Atwater is talking about Republican strategy makes no sense. It starts with "in 1954 you start out saying n....r, n....r, n....r." But in 1954 the South was solidly Democratic and Republicans were sending troops there to force integration. The quote describes a supposed "southern strategy" beginning in 1954 that bears no relation to reality in 1954. Why should we believe the rest of it when it's wrong from the beginning?

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Post by yesenadam »

dang wrote: post #779
yesenadam wrote: post #691

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>Only a third, last I checked, is in the US Oh, that's interesting, I would have thought 2/3 or more. I'd be fascinated to see a breakdown by country; is there one online somewhere? [looks] Ah, there was one in 2011. Maybe I could do one of those polls 'What country do you live in', doesn't seem to be a recent one. ps I didnt stay long at all on Quora or the StackExchanges, from the amazingly inept modding. Here it's…

We're going to do that analysis again sometime soon. If you email hn@ycombinator.com in a week or two we could probably give you the info. I might write a post about it as well.

Ok great, thanks. You should!

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Post by kelukelugames »

ameister14 wrote: post #793
kelukelugames wrote: post #594

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When you say conservatives support Meritocracy do you mean like how Ivanka and Jared got jobs with the White House? When people criticize the word "Meritocracy" they are not criticizing the concept but the usage.

>When people criticize the word "Meritocracy" they are not criticizing the concept but the usage. I don't agree - there is a subset of people that criticize meritocracy as a concept because they believe the idea of 'merit' is inherently racist and classist - if you start at a different level, it becomes more difficult for you to accrue 'merit' and so that needs to be balanced and taken into account. Some people belie…

Do you have any examples where people are criticizing the concept inherently?

The people who write about these things always say they don't like when the word meritocracy is being used to hide bias.

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