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Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by GunlogAlm »

akvadrako wrote: post #379
GunlogAlm wrote: post #378

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All images you click on are fully loaded, images you don't click on are Google-hosted thumbnails. No exceptions.

This isn't true for me. The clicked on images, at least of high resolution, are data urls under 1 MP. Exactly like the thumbnails from the grid.

Are you sure you're actually clicking the images first, so they're brought up in the image viewer box with the other options available, and then right-clicking -> View Image/Open Image/whatever?

If you are, then that's very strange, and I have no idea why that's happening for you and not for anybody else. What browser and OS are you using?

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by TomMarius »

mygo wrote: post #380
TomMarius wrote: post #370

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You can view "most recent" posts and that will do exactly what you're saying you want.

You must not use that feature very often or else you would know that Facebook does not respect that setting. When you set it, come back in a day or two and they’ve switched it back. Because once again, they know what’s best for you. You don’t know what you want, even if it’s not default and you go through the trouble of turning it on. Tried it and got tired of randomly noticing that it’s not showing me “most recent”…

Actually I didn't even know it's supposed to stay in the most recent settings. I just go and click on it every time I open FB.

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by bonesss »

prepend wrote: post #217
bonesss wrote: post #128

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> This is going to make high school PowerPoint users spend more time This is going to make Senior Architect PowerPoint users spend more time... When I show my PHB why kubernetes is "the shit" and something we "really need", as I do with all my technical presentations: I get my propaganda directly from the suppliers. Am I gonna spend time visually describing how Oracles product suite hangs together? No, that's the job…

While it would be cool to cut down on such presentations as you describe, I would hope that even PHB style architects can right click, or use the dev console, or pull from cache.

Right click is blocked, natch, and dev console on google images trying to get sources is nowhere close to being as fast as visiting the source site and right clicking. Pulling from cache is also more time intensive, and therefore irrelevant.

Also, I said architect reporting to a PHB, not a PHB architect, and that the time was used creating presentations, not that the volume of presentations themselves could be 'cut down'...

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Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by akvadrako »

GunlogAlm wrote: post #381
akvadrako wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't true for me. The clicked on images, at least of high resolution, are data urls under 1 MP. Exactly like the thumbnails from the grid.

Are you sure you're actually clicking the images first, so they're brought up in the image viewer box with the other options available, and then right-clicking -> View Image/Open Image/whatever? If you are, then that's very strange, and I have no idea why that's happening for you and not for anybody else. What browser and OS are you using?

Yes that’s what I’m doing but it’s not that strange, because it's what I would expect. It is too slow to load many such large images automatically.

But FYI, this is Safari on OS X.

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by GunlogAlm »

akvadrako wrote: post #384
GunlogAlm wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you're actually clicking the images first, so they're brought up in the image viewer box with the other options available, and then right-clicking -> View Image/Open Image/whatever? If you are, then that's very strange, and I have no idea why that's happening for you and not for anybody else. What browser and OS are you using?

Yes that’s what I’m doing but it’s not that strange, because it's what I would expect. It is too slow to load many such large images automatically. But FYI, this is Safari on OS X.

> It is too slow to load many such large images automatically.

The images don't all load automatically, though; an image only begins to load when you click on it individually, opening it within the viewer, on a Google Images results page.

Here[0] is a screenshot example. Clicking on 'Open image in new tab' (or 'View Image' in Firefox) will open the image[1] directly, and inspecting the page's source will reveal it is simply an element with the URL as the src value. The size ought to make no difference; I tried up to 10 MP.

It may take a second to load, but that's how Google Images works: once an image is open in the viewer, it is quite literally just embedding the unadulterated source image within the page. It has been this way since at least 2010.

(Unless, of course, there is behaviour unique to Safari or OS X: of that I have no idea.)

[0]: https://i.imgur.com/mYAFr0J.jpg

[1]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Winnersh...

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by tripzilch »

simonh wrote: post #361
prepend wrote: post #317

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YouTube and many other sites have systems to work with rightsholders. It would be trivial for Google to allow Getty and others to manage their images that show up while still retaining functionality for the billions of images created by people who don’t care or who even explicitly allow Creative Commons usage. Thus my suspicion. What’s a little sad is 15 years ago I would give Google the benefit of the doubt, but thi…

YouTube, where a user chooses to upload content and Google defines the platform features and standards, is pretty different to search. ‘Still retaining functionality’ would require assuming permissive access to images as the default, which is what has got a Google into this mess in the first place. The whole point of this is that, for sites and rights holders that don’t explicitly allow access, Google cannot assume t…

> They have to assume the most restrictive grant of rights, and adoption of metadata to indicate more permissive access is so poorly adopted it’s just irrelevant in practice.

Try the advanced image search options, just like many other modern image search engines, as a user, you can filter for permissive licenses. I'm not sure how they gather that metadata, but the results I'm getting, it's not poorly adopted at all.

So they could in fact retain the functionality for images with the right license.

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by akvadrako »

GunlogAlm wrote: post #385
akvadrako wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that’s what I’m doing but it’s not that strange, because it's what I would expect. It is too slow to load many such large images automatically. But FYI, this is Safari on OS X.

> It is too slow to load many such large images automatically. The images don't all load automatically, though; an image only begins to load when you click on it individually, opening it within the viewer, on a Google Images results page. Here[0] is a screenshot example. Clicking on 'Open image in new tab' (or 'View Image' in Firefox) will open the image[1] directly, and inspecting the page's source will reveal it is…

I agree you have no idea :) it works for you and not for me. Google could be A/B testing for all we know.

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by mygo »

TomMarius wrote: post #382
mygo wrote: post #380

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You must not use that feature very often or else you would know that Facebook does not respect that setting. When you set it, come back in a day or two and they’ve switched it back. Because once again, they know what’s best for you. You don’t know what you want, even if it’s not default and you go through the trouble of turning it on. Tried it and got tired of randomly noticing that it’s not showing me “most recent”…

Actually I didn't even know it's supposed to stay in the most recent settings. I just go and click on it every time I open FB.

you make it sound so easy. It’s a hassle. It’s not like it’s always switched off when you come back. Sometimes it is sometimes it isn’t. So you have to navigate to a switch even if you’re not going to toggle it just to be sure that you’re getting the experience that you had explicitly expressed you want by switching away from the default to begin with. Why does it even switch back? They don’t think you’re capable of making your own decisions?

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by TomMarius »

mygo wrote: post #388
TomMarius wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I didn't even know it's supposed to stay in the most recent settings. I just go and click on it every time I open FB.

you make it sound so easy. It’s a hassle. It’s not like it’s always switched off when you come back. Sometimes it is sometimes it isn’t. So you have to navigate to a switch even if you’re not going to toggle it just to be sure that you’re getting the experience that you had explicitly expressed you want by switching away from the default to begin with. Why does it even switch back? They don’t think you’re capable of…

I just go there every time and make sure it is switched the way I like. I never said it is easy nor that I agree with their way of doing things, but the fact that sometimes it is set up like I want it to be does not make it a bigger hassle, it's exactly the same.

Re: Google removes ‘view image’ button from search results

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Post by lobf »

PricelessValue wrote: post #356
bitL wrote: post #183

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Google is now a firm part of establishment, i.e. protecting the old ways of making money instead of inventing new ones. They initially looked like a company that could find better ways but it seems like prevailing winds were stronger in the end. The "to help connect users and useful websites" while removing that possibility is just usual expected spin associated with classical businesses. YouTube is also turning into…

> Google is now a firm part of establishment They have been for a while now. They have a deal with the washingtonpost and nytimes to "feature" those two newspapers on google news and search. Check the waybackmachine and see how frequently washingtonpost and nytimes articles were on google news five years ago to now. It's incredible how prominently those two newspapers, but especially washingtonpost, are promoted on g…

What's your problem with WaPo and NYT? Where should I go for news instead?
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