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The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by funkythingss »

This phenomenon isn't entirely new. Some man have seen it as "Scandinavian gender paradox".

Still, why are we surprised? We know instinctively, that there will never web 50/50 in some fields, because man/women just don't like it as much. It's sad that some people have to pretend to agree with the feminist narrative

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by ekianjo »

afroboy wrote: post #9

I just discovered that where i work (Algeria) there is hidden rule in hiring new devs that wasn't known publicly it's simply no women, seriously i work with 20 men for more than two years and i just discovered that our head of recruitment doesn't hire woman at all no matter how she's talented because of so many reason most of them are racist but kind are hard to argue with him like if woman get married she will stop…

In a free market such companies would be at disadvantage versus the ones who also attract top talent regardless of gender or race or any other demographic criteria whatsoever.

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by zerr »

One reason could be - in poor/developing countries STEM is understood as the escape path from the poverty, while in developed countries people seem assured in their future even if they go in humanities or any other non-tech field - thus following their interests/hobbies rather than the need.

EDIT: unintentional tl;dr as it seems :)

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by thedonkeycometh »

The equality situation cross-culture is different. I think the US exceptionalises female STEM careers (as a proxy for discrimination) which can then add more pressure. And just because women have an explicit right to choose STEM work, doesn't mean that the discrimination doesn't put them off entry, as they're still painted in the same fashion as they were for the last fifty years. As seen in google-guys all staff memo-rant.

I've been in the industry for 20 years and haven't seen any relaxation of the bigotry and ignorance towards some people in IT. In fact, I'd say it has got worse of late, with the current trend of having the right to voice an "unpopular opininon" creating a platform for casual discrimination.

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by funkythingss »

cgearhart wrote: post #8
tomcam wrote: post #4

It’s almost like... men and women are different.

The article addresses that idea. > The findings will likely seem controversial, since the idea that men and women have different inherent abilities is often used as a reason...to argue we should forget trying to recruit more women into the stem fields. But...that’s not quite what’s happening here. > In wealthy nations, [women] believe that they have the freedom to pursue [other] alternatives and not worry so much tha…

so in STEM it's only sexism and not the fact that there are less women/ less women with interest?

Where's sexism in medicine, sociology, biology?

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

This, and similar research I'd seen before seems to point to women being equal or better at STEM than men (and also being better at non-STEM stuff), but actively avoiding it as a low-status role when they have better options.

Slightly baffling to see this celebrated by men in these careers as some kind of vindication.

The data appears to be saying you (we) suck, but that's a win if you think the data was going to show that one gender sucked (and you ignore that you secretly thought it was them).

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by mesozoic »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #17

This, and similar research I'd seen before seems to point to women being equal or better at STEM than men (and also being better at non-STEM stuff), but actively avoiding it as a low-status role when they have better options. Slightly baffling to see this celebrated by men in these careers as some kind of vindication. The data appears to be saying you (we) suck, but that's a win if you think the data was going to sho…

I think men celebrate it in the hope that this may trigger a culture change where they don't have to be seen as less desirables or inherently sexist members of the patriarchy.

Re: The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM

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Post by nukeop »

Forcing people to change their interests based on an agenda only results in them being even less interested than they were in the first place. There is also the backlash to the nonstop pushing of politically-based hiring instead of meritocratic practices. Some even state "meritocracy" is outright oppressive and should never be applied.
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