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Re: Just teach my kid the math

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That's fine - I'm hosting the copy (with permission) because medium is blocked from some locations. Personally, I hate medium's default settings - I just feel like my face is being pushed through mush. But that's a personal thing, and I've certainly lost that battle.

Thank you for that - Medium is blocked in Malaysia, for example, which I can bypass by using Google DNS on WiFi, but not on 4G...

Interesting. Is it blocked for content reasons (i.e. it hosts political material that is offensive to the censors of the local internet infrastructure) or techno-political reasons (Medium-the-hosting company is banned from providing content in the area due to the company itself)?

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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The original source you linked to in the article is a lot easier to read. sorry/ https://medium.com/q-e-d/just-teach-my-kid-the-expletive-mat...

Thanks, we've updated the link.

As explained elsewhere, this is a copy, hosted at the request of the author, because Medium is blocked in certain countries. Your change means that people in those countries will, if they come to HN, no longer be able to read this article.

I'm not sure that's a good thing - did you take the other comments into account when you changed the link?

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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So you're advocating the return of the slide rule? As that's what was used for most calculating, the "old math" method being too cumbersome for such large problems.

As someone who actually learned to use a slide rule before pocket calculators became available, that's probably not the best example. Slide rules were good for getting "[EDITED: precise not accurate] enough" results in various situations where they could do so more quickly than solving by hand. You still needed to understand orders of magnitude, precision, and generally having a feel for numbers to use one. Note also…

Those human computers used slide rules, as even with them the problems were so ridiculously complex they took months. Their were many different slide rules with varying degrees of precision

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/home/calculate...

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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I personally find Serge Lang's "Basic Mathematics" to be super useful in explaining the "why" of a particular formula in pre-college level math, as most books at my current level just seem to say "memorize this" He has an explanation of why x^0 is 1 and not 0 that doesn't involve calculus, for instance.

What would be an explanation that involves calculus? The only one I know is that x^(a+b) = x^a * x^b holds for positive a and b, and to uphold that pattern, it's necessary that x^0 = 1, x^-1 = 1/x and so on. For me, all of that was covered long before calculus.

Interesting. When I took high school math as a kid, there weren't many explanations, (and for some reason, I wasn't up for looking them up/figuring them out myself- weird, 'cause I totally was up for that sort of thing in some other classes) - just x^(a+b) = x^a * x^b and x^0=1 -- memorize these facts, with the emphasis on memorization rather than on the connection between those facts. Most of what I remember is a lot of guess and check and factorization; something I automated using the rom basic on my Tandy model 100. These were the mid '90s, and looking back with a less resistant mind, I think they really were trying to get us to develop a mathematical intuition, and that if I had read the math text book the way I read the history or English lit textbooks (they were full of stories!) I would have done just fine. But I still can't read math books the way I read literature, and I haven't figured out why yet. I know my first decade of reading, I skipped a lot, like if I didn't understand something, I moved on and filled out the blanks from what I did understand as best I could. (These days when I'm reading literature I get all excited when I see a word or phrase I don't understand, and I immediately stop and research. (the world is awesome for that today. Once I was blocked on my way home, waiting for a family of skunks to move off of the trail. I was introduced to rimbaud by miller, so I bought and downloaded a bunch of his stuff to my kindle. By the time I was done reading, it was dark and the skunks started to approach me, so I took off (without incident) but I wish I could do that with math, and I'm not quite sure why I cant. I mean, reading things I half understand, and halfway getting something out of it.)

the calculus explanation I heard from a friend that I was talking about this about was extrapolating from x^.5 x^.4, etc, etc, and as the exponent approaches 0 the answer approaches 1 for all non zero values of x - but this was maybe two years back and the friend in question was educated overseas, and I still am not educated enough to use calculus notation to write that down (or even really to understand if I understood him correctly.) so it could be garbled, or only tradition on the continent, or something like that.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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I’ve watched my daughter do her 3rd grade math homework both ways. She’s an ardent rule-follower at her age (and can’t quite understand why the boys in her class can’t stay out of trouble) and really enjoys doing her math homework. Watching her work on the extra credit math assignments and her get so exited when the multiplication problems extend into 8 digits is a lot of fun. Often she will do the problem the “new”…

The amount of time and space needed for her to do the problem on paper are irrelevant. The only important thing is that she's understanding.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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Thanks, we've updated the link.

As explained elsewhere, this is a copy, hosted at the request of the author, because Medium is blocked in certain countries. Your change means that people in those countries will, if they come to HN, no longer be able to read this article. I'm not sure that's a good thing - did you take the other comments into account when you changed the link?

Alright, we've changed it back.

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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As explained elsewhere, this is a copy, hosted at the request of the author, because Medium is blocked in certain countries. Your change means that people in those countries will, if they come to HN, no longer be able to read this article. I'm not sure that's a good thing - did you take the other comments into account when you changed the link?

Alright, we've changed it back.

Thank you - I've added some text at the top of the re-hosting to make it clear why it's being hosted there in addition to Medium - I hope that makes it clearer.

Is there a way of avoiding this problem in the future, and possibly reducing your workload?

Re: Just teach my kid the math

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There is a reason why most people hate math. IMAO the current system of teaching math is ancient and above all deprecated. We should not punish our kids with it. I mean, what's the point of drilling stupid sums if you'll hardly ever need it in your life? I think it is totally stupid and irresponsible if anyone does calculations without a calculator for almost any application, not excluding: store checkout, health car…

You want us to teach them best practice? Then we need to teach them maths, without relying on calculators. I teach secondary maths (specifically Algebra II), and they can't understand what I'm supposed to be teaching them because they have no clue how numbers work. Why don't they know this, if they're 15/16? Because they were given calculators at too young of an age and know "just push the button". What you're arguin…

> What you're arguing is for a complete removal of teaching math, period.

No. I suggest focussing on explaining concepts, not drilling sums. And explain them why in ancient times the teacher used to use a cheat sheet because drilling didn't work because science found out our minds are not wired for that.

Besides, from over 7 billion people on Earth, how many need Algebra 2? Please try to be honest and give us here an estimate teacher. In your life Math is important apparently, but in most lives it's not. Teach it to those interested please and don't push it through the throat of those not interested.

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