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Professionals need our 4:3 screens

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Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

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4:3 and matte and a proper keyboard. These no longer exist because Apple and shiny.

Matte screens are a crutch. I’m a big boy I can figure out how to properly light my office. I don’t want to stare at my text through cheese cloth for the sake of those who can’t.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

#72
post #11

Same! I hate the freaking wide screen madness. It's not just laptops though. There are not a ton of manufactures making LCDs with modern resolutions in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Also a lot them are quite expensive. Eizo makes 1:1 desktop monitor, I managed to get one used for a good price I love it! I would get a second if they did not cost so much. http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/index.ht... Also 5:4 i…

2560x2048 would be awesome (they exist but they cost about 5-10 times what a 2560x1440 does.. http://www.ieiworld.co.uk/products/MMD_5201M-1323-459.html ). Two of those side by side would be perfect. I have dual 2560x1440's at work (24") and that's nice but the extra 608 height would be great for things like Chrome devtools etc.

> *2560x2048 would be awesome (...) Two of those side by side would be perfect.

You have just turned two 5:4 monitors into a 10:4 monitor - and the closest format to that exists in a form of current 21:9 monitors, with acceptable prices.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

#73
post #17

Or is this a call for mainstream operating systems and applications to get creative (read, nice tiling or splitting by default)? What if all browsers suported single page split view? So that the left side was your regular view, half width, and the right side was the continuation of the same page, where the left side ended.

How would scrolling work? If both panes went up or down a little, I'd find it a little jarring. Maybe I would get used to it, I don't know.

Same as if you have two windows open: whichever one you have the cursor over scrolls.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

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post #42
post #12

On the other hand resolution has gotten to be AMAZING with 4k so I almost don't care anymore. That might be eye sight dependent as I am able to use fairly minimal scaling. I've had over the years ThinkPad 760, 600X (600 was one of the best laptop ever designed given the constraints in available tech, not sure anything can ever top it), T42, T61p, T420s and now P50 and it is a worthy family member as good as any of th…

4k is the worst thing that could happen: it is so heavily marketed and has 16:9 aspect ratio. It is only appealing to people who use computer mostly to watch videos (who, unfortunately are majority of PC users). The rise of so called "Smart TVs" and tablets gives us a hope that people who are only interested in watching movies will finally stop buying computers at all, and once again professional users will be the ma…

I am a long term multi-screen user (last 16 years or so), including portrait monitors for document reading (reminds me that some CRTs used to do funny things in portrait as their cooling was not made for this). I often have multiple datasheets, PCB layout, schematics and some code open at the same time. Lately I only use a single screen on the desk and think a good single 32" 4k monitor is quite close do ideal right now. With that resolution and screen space I really do not need any extra. Learning a few window manager keyboard shortcuts helps a lot as well. Just my personal experience, YMMV.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

#75
post #71
post #7

4:3 and matte and a proper keyboard. These no longer exist because Apple and shiny.

Matte screens are a crutch. I’m a big boy I can figure out how to properly light my office. I don’t want to stare at my text through cheese cloth for the sake of those who can’t.

It's great to have a matte option on laptops. I can't really control the lighting in a moving train or on a park bench.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

#76

(Controversial) Corollary resulting from this 16:9 domination: the maximum length of a source code line should be increased. 80 characters seems to be not the best fit for modern IDE on 16:9 screens. (I hate that, but praying for a 16:10 monitor comeback did not work. Also, it is getting worse with hidpi monitors)

No, all source code lines should be max 80 columns wide, always. That way, you can put a well-defined number of editor panes next to each other on the screen (3 columns on a 16:9, 2 columns on a 4:3). You're also able to print out snippets of source code on paper at 10pt font size.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

#77
post #76

(Controversial) Corollary resulting from this 16:9 domination: the maximum length of a source code line should be increased. 80 characters seems to be not the best fit for modern IDE on 16:9 screens. (I hate that, but praying for a 16:10 monitor comeback did not work. Also, it is getting worse with hidpi monitors)

No, all source code lines should be max 80 columns wide, always. That way, you can put a well-defined number of editor panes next to each other on the screen (3 columns on a 16:9, 2 columns on a 4:3). You're also able to print out snippets of source code on paper at 10pt font size.

...or 1.5 panes on a different 16:9, or 0.7 panes on a phone screen.

80 character limit sounds like it makes sense for order, but depending on size & eyesight, a lot of the screen may end up wasted.

    Personally, I hate nothing more than seeing lines wrapped like
    this when reading
    emails wrapped to 80 characters per line. This wastes vertical
    space, making the
    problem even worse.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

#78
post #11

Same! I hate the freaking wide screen madness. It's not just laptops though. There are not a ton of manufactures making LCDs with modern resolutions in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Also a lot them are quite expensive. Eizo makes 1:1 desktop monitor, I managed to get one used for a good price I love it! I would get a second if they did not cost so much. http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/index.ht... Also 5:4 i…

Would you get a second one to use them together? Because in that case you might as well just buy a bigger wide-screen...

No for an other computer.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

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post #42
post #12

On the other hand resolution has gotten to be AMAZING with 4k so I almost don't care anymore. That might be eye sight dependent as I am able to use fairly minimal scaling. I've had over the years ThinkPad 760, 600X (600 was one of the best laptop ever designed given the constraints in available tech, not sure anything can ever top it), T42, T61p, T420s and now P50 and it is a worthy family member as good as any of th…

4k is the worst thing that could happen: it is so heavily marketed and has 16:9 aspect ratio. It is only appealing to people who use computer mostly to watch videos (who, unfortunately are majority of PC users). The rise of so called "Smart TVs" and tablets gives us a hope that people who are only interested in watching movies will finally stop buying computers at all, and once again professional users will be the ma…

No, not really the worst thing. Especially for desktops its pretty great. Just buy one of sufficient size to comfortably use the central 3:2 portion, and you've got side left over for whatever else down the sides.

I use a 40inch 4k monitor. You don't even need scaling (i can still read it without glasses). You get massive vertical height and plenty of width to play with.

Just because it's not the perfect ratio doesnt mean you can't just buy a monitor of sufficient size to use a section of it to suit your needs. And when i want to put my feet up i still have a huge 4k movie screen.

It would be great if the choice was there to just buy a 3:2 but the sky is hardly falling down just because 4k got here.

Re: Professionals need our 4:3 screens

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post #74
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4k is the worst thing that could happen: it is so heavily marketed and has 16:9 aspect ratio. It is only appealing to people who use computer mostly to watch videos (who, unfortunately are majority of PC users). The rise of so called "Smart TVs" and tablets gives us a hope that people who are only interested in watching movies will finally stop buying computers at all, and once again professional users will be the ma…

I am a long term multi-screen user (last 16 years or so), including portrait monitors for document reading (reminds me that some CRTs used to do funny things in portrait as their cooling was not made for this). I often have multiple datasheets, PCB layout, schematics and some code open at the same time. Lately I only use a single screen on the desk and think a good single 32" 4k monitor is quite close do ideal right…

I agree. I mentioned it in another comment but you're right, 32 inch up to 40 inch is a good sweet spot with huge flexibility to do what you need.

You can basically use the central 3:2 section for most stuff unless you need to tile some windows wider, yet you still have huge vertical height to enjoy. It really is a great way to avoid multiple monitors, bezels and expense.

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