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He said worse than that, IIRC. But his lawsuit will maybe bring more clarity on what he really thinks vs. what might have been mis-written or mis-read in various versions of 'the memo'.
So now lawsuits concern themselves with what a man really thinks ?
Countries with more gender equality have fewer female STEM grads
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
> as a group women have decided that the best way to make themselves more welcome in STEM I missed when the voting took place. You mean a group of activist women (and men) assumed to talk on behalf of all women in the field?
Yes. If you feel differently, and you are a woman then I highly encourage you to become more involved with activism because that is the only way to make your voice and opinions heard. It is not fair that all womens' positions have been decided by activists, and many women in tech have specifically noted this issue. However, activism is available for any individual interested in it.
> Yes. If you feel differently, and you are a woman then I highly encourage you to become more involved with activism because that is the only way to make your voice and opinions heard.
And what kind of social or career impact on their lives do you expect from such activism against the current flow?
Re: Countries with more gender equality have fewer female STEM grads
#103I wonder if it's possible that men and women, on average, have differing criteria for choosing careers, and artificially forcing the distributions towards the middle might do more harm than good.
I think it's certainly possible that different career preferences is true and that the current distribution in practice is still skewed. That is, perhaps the "right" distribution is something like 60/40 men/women, in which case both 50/50 men/women and 90/10 men/women would be skewed and pushing people out of careers they'd be happy with.
There are more professions with skew than professions with parity.
https://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/occ_gender_share_em_1020_txt.ht...
Re: Countries with more gender equality have fewer female STEM grads
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> as a group women have decided that the best way to make themselves more welcome in STEM I missed when the voting took place. You mean a group of activist women (and men) assumed to talk on behalf of all women in the field?
Yes. If you feel differently, and you are a woman then I highly encourage you to become more involved with activism because that is the only way to make your voice and opinions heard. It is not fair that all womens' positions have been decided by activists, and many women in tech have specifically noted this issue. However, activism is available for any individual interested in it.
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Re: Countries with more gender equality have fewer female STEM grads
#105I wonder if it's possible that men and women, on average, have differing criteria for choosing careers, and artificially forcing the distributions towards the middle might do more harm than good.
This shows that girls are more inclined to have different interests than boys. There is clearly not equal distribution
in interests between genders. There is nothing wrong with that. We shudn't enforce equal distribution by some quotas. Instead we should allow everbody to have an equal chanche to achive their full potential.
Re: Countries with more gender equality have fewer female STEM grads
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> as a group women have decided that the best way to make themselves more welcome in STEM I missed when the voting took place. You mean a group of activist women (and men) assumed to talk on behalf of all women in the field?
Yes. If you feel differently, and you are a woman then I highly encourage you to become more involved with activism because that is the only way to make your voice and opinions heard. It is not fair that all womens' positions have been decided by activists, and many women in tech have specifically noted this issue. However, activism is available for any individual interested in it.
couldn't agree more. perfectly put
Re: Countries with more gender equality have fewer female STEM grads
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> as a group women have decided that the best way to make themselves more welcome in STEM I missed when the voting took place. You mean a group of activist women (and men) assumed to talk on behalf of all women in the field?
Yes. If you feel differently, and you are a woman then I highly encourage you to become more involved with activism because that is the only way to make your voice and opinions heard. It is not fair that all womens' positions have been decided by activists, and many women in tech have specifically noted this issue. However, activism is available for any individual interested in it.
> Yes. If you feel differently, and you are a woman
I'm not sure you understand the goal of gender equality.
> then I highly encourage you to become more involved with activism because that is the only way to make your voice and opinions heard.
I'm a software engineer. Every woman on our team is treated as an equal. Because they are. But apparently your experience = every experience.
Maybe, just maybe, the women that you speak of are in the minority?
Re: Countries with more gender equality have fewer female STEM grads
#108The defensive tone of this article is alarming. If you don't study computer science now you will likely be in the same boat 30 years from now with illiterate folks of today. Disparity in computer science education in Western countries puts women at a massive economic disadvantage and is a major geopolitical risk. Arguing that women naturally prefer non-STEM fields is sexist and dangerous. Helping drive up the numbers…
> Helping drive up the numbers of women and other underrepresented populations in CS should be a major priority for developed countries. What if we try to respect womens choices and work to get them better pay for the very important work they actually do, first? Why is it that nursing or teaching should be paid so much less than software engineering? Or even worse: why is it so much cooler to be an engineeer like me…
Because that’s how capitalism works. Money follows value generated to society not individual perceived value. A teacher at maximum capacity can only deliver a tiny tiny fraction of the value that a software developer can.
100 students per class 8 classes a day 40 year career. You have provided value to 32,000 children all of whom have two parents so value to 96,000 people well say.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
As expected, this is the top comment on an article practically built for this argument. It may very well be that men and women have different criteria, but that is completely irrelevant, and I find this line of argumentation very frustrating as it completely ignores the actual complaints at hand. Women in STEM complain that they have less job prospects and feel uncomfortable in their positions. Many women feel they a…
Men have massive school problems and the one field we’re focusing on is STEM. Please everyone, look at the chart of men/female ratio at university since 1980 (hint: men are a minority at uni, hitting 1/3 in the nect years) and explain me why, for $1 spent on females in STEM, we don’t spend $10 on males at university? Men are systematically forgotten in every single « equality » program. Case in point : > Women in STE…
You're free to discuss men's issues in the numerous internet forums, boards, and communities that find this to be an important issue. However I was talking about women, so maybe we should stay focused.
My favorite is reddit.com/r/MensLib
Why must we respond to legitimate concerns with "but it's hard for us TOO". We can address both at the same time. This does not have to be framed as men vs. women.
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#110Usually you get what you incentivize. If you go overboard on the equality of outcome, people will adapt to it, be it women or any kind of person.