After using FreeBSD since 3.4, I am done with it. This is an utter joke.
Which part exactly do you find funny and why?
New FreeBSD Code of Conduct
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Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct
#12It's sad that things like this have to be explicitly spelled out
If you’re operating on the internet and you truly have global reach, you have to.
Assumption is the mother of all fck-ups.
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#13If more and more groups insist on forcing their ideological agenda down the throats of contributors and users maybe it's time to start hacking on projects that don't feel the need to bring politics into software.
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#14After using FreeBSD since 3.4, I am done with it. This is an utter joke.
Which part exactly do you find funny and why?
The part where they have to write a CoC to please some groups, and disregard a thing called "common sense" which always existed inside the community. Thus making this a joke.
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#16After using FreeBSD since 3.4, I am done with it. This is an utter joke.
Which part exactly do you find funny and why?
Adopting a SJW CoCk is just the logical progression from their past SJW behavior such as getting rid of the whole fortune database because of couple quotes that some people somewhere might find offensive. FreeBSD is a joke.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which part exactly do you find funny and why?
The part where they have to write a CoC to please some groups, and disregard a thing called "common sense" which always existed inside the community. Thus making this a joke.
I'm not sure why it matters how long we've been using FreeBSD, but I've been using FreeBSD off and on since roughly 2.1.
You may be shocked to learn that some people actually do not have common sense. And that there is very little recourse when those people - the ones lacking common sense - decide to harass or intimidate people. Unless you actually _make rules_ about your community, you cannot _enforce those rules_.
So there are no "common sense" solutions to these problems unless you actually spell them out in advance. As an open source maintainer myself, I assure you that we do not do these things "to please some groups" but to have a framework for operating when people who lack "common sense" decide to be jerks and harass or intimidate other members of our community.
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#18If more and more groups insist on forcing their ideological agenda down the throats of contributors and users maybe it's time to start hacking on projects that don't feel the need to bring politics into software.
This is the exact opposite: It's rules for how to work on code without bringing personal crap into it. Do you want a date? Do you think there is something wrong with trans people? Do you have thoughts on race relations? Nobody cares, check that baggage at the door.
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#19This is great: simple and easy to understand. For everyone feigning confusion about modern professional behavioral norms, just memorize this list.
"Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age, race, or religion."
It doesn't take much creativity to recognize the inherent contradiction in this systemic line of thinking.
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#20> Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age, race, or religion.
So, there's a lot of "politicking" going on back and forth over this, but I'd like to suggest a specific problem: by attempting to formalize what used to be intuition, you're opening the door for people to follow up bad behavior with legal arguments that it was actually allowed. For example, someone could say something that was obviously meant against a group, and then defend it by pointing to specific wording in the CoC. ("But can you prove the oppression was systemic? Says the person who is obviously acting maliciously but is not obviously part of a system.")