Once-tolerant Indonesia moves to outlaw gay – and extramarital – sex
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Once-tolerant Indonesia moves to outlaw gay – and extramarital – sex
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#287% muslim country. Not a surprising move at all.
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#387% muslim country. Not a surprising move at all.
It’s actually a bit more complicated. The Islam traditionally practiced in Indonesia has been well known for being comparatively tolerant and for promoting pluralism. So the issue is not the fact of being predominantly a Muslim country in itself, but growing influence coming from conservative forces in the Middle East (which, indeed, is not all that surprising).
The largest Islamic organization in the country and traditionally the biggest proponent of a moderate Islam, Nahdlatul Ulama, is clearly naming the problem: Wahhabism. "It is false and counterproductive to claim that the actions of al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram and other such groups have nothing to do with Islam, or merely represent a perversion of Islamic teachings. They are, in fact, outgrowths of Wahhabism and other fundamentalist streams of Sunni Islam," Yaqut said." http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/25/humanitarian-i...
Interesting read about the same topic here http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/indonesias-moderate-isla...
It's definitely sad to see the moderate forces lose against the foreign-funded supporters of extremist views in what otherwise is a beautiful country.
Re: Once-tolerant Indonesia moves to outlaw gay – and extramarital – sex
#487% muslim country. Not a surprising move at all.
Not surprising, but the USA also had laws like this being enforced in the 90's.
Re: Once-tolerant Indonesia moves to outlaw gay – and extramarital – sex
#587% muslim country. Not a surprising move at all.
Not surprising, but the USA also had laws like this being enforced in the 90's.
I'm skeptical of your claim, may be on the books but enforced?
Even taking you at face value this is a clear case of whataboutism. Finally errors of almost 30 years ago give these assholes a pass how?
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Not surprising, but the USA also had laws like this being enforced in the 90's.
I'm skeptical of your claim, may be on the books but enforced? Even taking you at face value this is a clear case of whataboutism. Finally errors of almost 30 years ago give these assholes a pass how?
See Lawrence v. Texas.
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm skeptical of your claim, may be on the books but enforced? Even taking you at face value this is a clear case of whataboutism. Finally errors of almost 30 years ago give these assholes a pass how?
See Lawrence v. Texas.
Point taken, but it was more of a relic, rarely enforced. My other comments stand, this is irrelevant to this discussion.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Point taken, but it was more of a relic, rarely enforced. My other comments stand, this is irrelevant to this discussion.
Yes it is relevant, the point being that it's not a uniquely Islamic phenomenon.
Way to go with your whataboutism, nobody claimed it was solely Islamic. It's disingenuous to equate current state Islam acceptance of homosexuality with current acceptance in Christianity. You just want to inject "I'm not a racist" signal.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes it is relevant, the point being that it's not a uniquely Islamic phenomenon.
Way to go with your whataboutism, nobody claimed it was solely Islamic. It's disingenuous to equate current state Islam acceptance of homosexuality with current acceptance in Christianity. You just want to inject "I'm not a racist" signal.
It's called injecting some perspective.