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Please let me clarify. Women are not a protected class. Sex is a protected class.
For a "clarification", that's a pretty stunning error. Sex is not a class in the first place. Sex is a protected attribute or classification. Women are a protected class, and so, notionally, are men.
https://content.next.westlaw.com/Document/Ibb0a38daef0511e28...
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I feel like the progressive left THRUST Damore and anyone who might have similar thoughts/questions into the welcoming arms of the alt-right. I'm disappointed with the "Goolag" t-shirts, but he did lose his livelihood, had his professional reputation destroyed, and only a limited time to cash out. So this socially awkward nerd did what any sensible person would do, rode the wave that was sent his way the best he coul…
Even at this point, he would likely be easily able to get another engineering job if he wished. So I think you are vastly overstating the damage to his career. For sure, if he had admitted he was wrong or at least naive, and shut up about it, he'd have no problems at all. By doubling down on his statements and participating in lawsuits against Google, he's making himself less and less attractive to future employers.…
Would you kindly provide a source for this? Preferably from the memo itself?
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What core assumptions was he attacking specifically? Can you point to specific in his memo?
It’s a core assumption that when it comes to employment, men and women are generally similar at a cognitive level and equally well suited to different white-collar professions. We adopted that presumption as a protective mechanism, when we came out of a long period of invoking pseudo-scientific ideas about differences between men and women to justify sexism.
So can you point me to exactly where he claims that?
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I feel like the progressive left THRUST Damore and anyone who might have similar thoughts/questions into the welcoming arms of the alt-right. I'm disappointed with the "Goolag" t-shirts, but he did lose his livelihood, had his professional reputation destroyed, and only a limited time to cash out. So this socially awkward nerd did what any sensible person would do, rode the wave that was sent his way the best he coul…
He has no agency? He chose to speak up and then he chose to go down the path he did. It is an impressive feat of mental gymnastics to both kinda sorta acknowledge the alt-right might not be a great group of guys but then also claim Damore had no choice but to pull into that port in a storm of his own making. Allow me to pour out a beaker of Soylent for the poor, downtrodden white man.
I think tech workers are easy targets. For instance, we've all heard about the need for diversity in tech, but never hear about accredited investors being < 6 % female and < 1 % black.
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I feel like the progressive left THRUST Damore and anyone who might have similar thoughts/questions into the welcoming arms of the alt-right. I'm disappointed with the "Goolag" t-shirts, but he did lose his livelihood, had his professional reputation destroyed, and only a limited time to cash out. So this socially awkward nerd did what any sensible person would do, rode the wave that was sent his way the best he coul…
Even at this point, he would likely be easily able to get another engineering job if he wished. So I think you are vastly overstating the damage to his career. For sure, if he had admitted he was wrong or at least naive, and shut up about it, he'd have no problems at all. By doubling down on his statements and participating in lawsuits against Google, he's making himself less and less attractive to future employers.…
This sounds like the federal government concluded that Damore's firing did not violate federal employment law. I think (but I'm no expert) that the issue of whether Damore's firing violated California employment law is still an open question.
Damore's California lawsuit, which per the first page of the complaint, lists the below causes of action under various California laws, is unaffected.
CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT:
1. Violation of Cal. Labor Code § 1101
2. Violation of Cal. Labor Code § 1102
3. Workplace Discrimination on the basis of Gender and/or Race in Violation of FEHA
4.Workplace Harassment in Violation of FEHA
5.Retaliation in Violation of FEHA
6.Retaliation in Violation of Public Policy
7.Retaliation in Violation of Cal. Lab. Code § 1102.5
8.Failure To Prevent Harassment, Discrimination, and Retaliation
9.Unfair Business Practices, Bus. & Prof. Code Section 17200 et seq
10.Declaratory Relief
What I think of his views (I disagree) is not germaine to the question: was it sensible to write and publish? It was not. That I disagree with his premise and polemic makes it easier for me to align desire and reality, but the reality of the situation doesn't change because of my desires: he was stupid to publish and Google were within their rights to fire him. All the other observed comments about liberal/conservati…
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It is an impressive feat of mental gymnastics to both kinda sorta acknowledge the alt-right might not be a great group of guys but then also claim Damore had no choice but to pull into that port It's an impressive feat of mental gymnastics to put people like Dave Rubin, Gad Saad, and Steven Pinker into the category of "Alt-Right." (The first two being an openly gay man in a gay marriage, and a Lebanese jew.) There is…
The comment you replied to does not describe those figures as alt-right. On the other hand, the very first person Damore engaged after being fired was Stefan Molyneux, who is undeniably alt-right. It's also insipid to suggest that being gay or Jewish precludes being alt-right or otherwise bigoted. What would that make Milo Yiannopoulos?
I listened to most of his interviews tho, and he didn't sound alt-right to me at all. He sounded pretty Libertarian/Classical Liberal (he describes himself as a Classical Liberal)
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If he had stuck to the point about how ignorant-but-well-meaning people can trip over rapidly changing "acceptable" discourse, then none of this would have escalated as it did. That's an argument that can be made, and there's definitely things Google and other companies could do to address that problem. He went much further, though, basically asserting that women engineers didn't belong at Google, and that in fact th…
Can you point to where he says any of what you claim? I have read that memo quite a few time and see no such claims anywhere.
Women on average show a higher interest in people
and men in things
We can make software engineering more people-oriented
with pair programming and more collaboration.
Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-
oriented certain roles at Google can be and we
shouldn't deceive ourselves or students into
thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get
female students into coding might be doing this).
Women on average are more cooperative
[...but] Competitiveness and self reliance can be
valuable traits and we shouldn't necessarily
disadvantage those that have them