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Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Ok, but do you think those 12 year olds are going to all grow up to be well behaving adults? Or maybe the problems with this kind of sexism are starting very young. If you are right then the solutions still need to be addressed, but we need to start earlier.

I am going to speculate that it is incredibly unlikely that those 12 year old are going to grow up to be well behaved adults. I'm also going to speculate that the vast majority of those twelve year olds do not telegraph their wickedness to anyone in their life or their social circles - parents, teachers, relatives, etc because for last several decades US adult population has been playing ostrich pretending that the d…

While I think the other commenter on this post stated their point unhelpfully rudely, I agree that I think you're writing the child off too quickly. I'd imagine that giving up on a kid at this stage would only make it less likely that they realize how terrible they are being.

Even if adults don't know that a kid is being shitty, they can still lead by example towards a happier outcome

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

#552

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Is your life virtuous and pure? Or do you just hide or anonymize yourself when you do shitty things?

It's a low bar, but I certainly don't harass or troll people. If that's amazing to you, seek help.

Is your implication that, because you don't harass or troll people, that you live a virtuous and pure life(which is what was asked)?

If you think that's all it takes, seek help.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

#553

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As a kid I grew up playing video games. Around the age of 13 I switched on to online video games. I spent too much time on games like w3/wow etc. As a kid being exposed to such an environment wasn't good at all. After years, now being in my 30's I can totally understand how online gaming changed me and my interactions vs people that haven't played online games etc are completely different. I used to have a complete d…

I believe this comment is turning an issue of sexism into an issue of impoliteness that's developed around the culture of gaming, and I think that's a particularly toxic viewpoint. Rather than addressing the real fact that women are treated as sexual objects by men generally, whether in thought or anonymous action in message chat boxes, this sort of comment turns it into an issue of "polite conversation". To me it se…

I really dislike comments like this because all it’s doing is counting “isms” that are subjective and vaguely detectable, in response to someone sharing their personal story. It adds nothing to the conversation other than to shame and make people clam up and not share anymore, which doesn’t help anyone. It’s bullying.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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And, no one should have any issue reporting those people to their employers. If you act like scum, particularly with your employer in your profile, society should punish you.

People are always so quick to jump to this line of reasoning when popular opinion agrees with them. Would you be fine with losing your job for wrongthink if - or rather, when - social opinion swings the other way? It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong - you should be punished for disagreeing with society! Societal retribution for "wrongthink" is not the right answer. It's how you end up with LGBT losing their jo…

> wrongthink

This breaks the HN guideline against calling names in arguments, as well as the one that asks you to read other comments charitably (i.e. strongest plausible interpretation).

To drop a term like that in a comment here is not really engaging with the other commenter, just trying to make them or their argument look bad. That leads to much lower-quality discussion, so please resist the temptation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

#555

And, no one should have any issue reporting those people to their employers. If you act like scum, particularly with your employer in your profile, society should punish you.

Please don't take HN threads on generic flamewar tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16392728 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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The author characterises these messages as either aggressive and threatening, sexist _or_ trolls. Yet all of the comments are anonymous, generic, obscene or extreme, there is no subtlety or personality to the insults, they are completely generic and transferable as far as the individual is concerned. It's hard to see them as anything _other_ than trolls.

If they are all trolls, isn't this analysis really just about which profile pictures trolls find the easiest to find politically incorrect, offensive or sexist thing to say about? and isn't that just a reflection of what society finds the most offensive rather than what a bunch of trolls sincerely think?

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I'm downvoted because I think they are trolls, really? how lame... Try to come up with an argument group thinkers, or must we all cry in defence of anything even vaguely resembling sexism without thinking.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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It's without a doubt that there is extreme misogyny on the internet and in the real world, but I would be interested in the demographics of the bad responses you got: country, age, gender, etc. This is the natural next step to understand how to solve this problem.

It's not without a doubt. See other comments. It might be that people think the pretty woman photo is fake or that it's all a scripted bot. The sexism might actually go the other way round - some people assuming these web devs are ugly antisocial men hiding behind fake photo of a pretty woman.

You have doubts that sexism and misogyny exist on the internet and the real world? And you think that all sexism exists only because people assume the person they're talking to is a bot? What are your double-blind studies that have confirmed this claim? I'm very interested in your sources.

> See other comments.

Oh, oh. Nevermind. You already cited.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

#558

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Perhaps we have different definitions of sexist - I think that HN is generally quite supportive of the “free-thinker” type of sexism and racism exemplified by James Damore.

I am genuinely curious what you mean by this. Why do you view James Damore-types as sexist and/or racist?

Ugh. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't take HN threads into off-topic flamewar hell. If you haven't had enough Damore flamewars, the search box at the bottom of this page will give you enough to last the rest of your life.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

#559

Unpopular opinion ahead: For all we know, the majority of the rude comments are coming from women. And if you are assuming, without evidence, that these comments all come from males, then you are either sexist or there really are differences between men and women that ought to inform things like what jobs we put people in as a society, for the sake of everybody involved.

Donny, please.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

#560

I found this post deeply upsetting and alarming. I guess I am lucky that my co-founder and I run a B2B SaaS, and not a B2C company - in over two years of running a chat agent on our website and within our app, we have never had anything even close to this. Frankly, seeing the interactions on that blog post was like opening a door into some sort of hell hole. Maybe I lead some sort of cloistered life online, but I don…

I am female, and have run my own B2B SaaS as well as currently managing chat (as part of marketing) for another B2B SaaS. I have seen all sorts of comments like the ones mentioned in the article, and I hate to say it, but many of them came after we got profiled in places like Hacker News (and other tech websites, too, to be fair.) One that had a referrer as a thread on Hacker News kept insisting I couldn't be a real…

> One that had a referrer as a thread on Hacker News kept insisting I couldn't be a real person, and wanting me to do basic math like 2+3 "before he would talk to me." It was gross.

I'm sorry, but I literally laughed out loud reading that one. It was gross to have to do natural language processing plus arithmetics?

#metoo

I hate it when people force me to do arithmetics early in the morning. So gross!

Seriously though, what I do hate is when money-hungry people hijack worthwhile movements for their own monetary gain.

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