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Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by radioo75555 »

hycaria wrote: post #190
draugadrotten wrote: post #134

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I am male and used to work in a call centre. I apparently have a good voice, and I was repeatedly asked out by random women calling the service desk. I even got a virtual stalker who kept inventing issues and calling daily just to speak with me. Since I am male, I was not threatened but amused, but I can see how a woman would feel vulnerable in the same situation.

>Since I am male, I was not threatened but amused, but I can see how a woman would feel vulnerable in the same situation. Why ?

Because women are weak and easily scared. They do not stand up for themselves. Look at the messages op received and how she did nothing but write about it and share her problem.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by verroq »

ABCLAW wrote: post #301
verroq wrote: post #265

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>I am so glad someone on HN is here to enforce rigorous standards when it comes to this topic, in particular. I am so glad someone on HN is here to tell us exactly why we aren't allowed to have a rigorous discussion when it comes to this topic, in particular. It is interesting how you immediately reframe women getting harassed as misogyny. Nevermind women likely get more attention online as well. Let's have a look at…

I like how the unstated assumption that unwashed CS nerds are obviously hostile towards women is not further examined. Namely because that unstated premise is almost exactly the conclusion of the argument you're trying to argue against.

The point is that even with this assumption it still fails.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by hycaria »

meowfly wrote: post #343
hycaria wrote: post #190

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>Since I am male, I was not threatened but amused, but I can see how a woman would feel vulnerable in the same situation. Why ?

From an evolutionary biology perspective the stakes are totally different for different for men versus women. For men reproduction has almost no consequences (biologically speaking) while for women it can be life threatening. Men are biologically advantaged to make as many passes as possible until they are able to mate while women are advantaged to find the best mate possible. I think it is fair that this shapes the…

This is a phonecall. Where is reproduction involved ?

I am a female myself and I think this is the kind of deep paternalizing tone that is plain wrong. Being amused and not threatened by something has nothing to do with gender but with personality. Why would a woman be more scared by a phone call than a man? All the suggestions I have here are plain hallucinatory (speaking about physical violence and reproduction over a phonecall ?!) and this issue has imo really nothing to do with gender.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by hycaria »

radioo75555 wrote: post #391
hycaria wrote: post #190

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>Since I am male, I was not threatened but amused, but I can see how a woman would feel vulnerable in the same situation. Why ?

Because women are weak and easily scared. They do not stand up for themselves. Look at the messages op received and how she did nothing but write about it and share her problem.

I guess that's sarcasm, and that's exactly my point !

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by rectang »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #354
ashelmire wrote: post #274

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You can believe sexual harassment is everywhere and also believe chat widgets are annoying. Sadly, women getting harassed on the internet by anonymous strangers, while unfortunate, is not a novel revelation. Anyone who says it isn’t common has their head in the sand. You can’t help people like that.

A single message is not harassment though.

You can't make that blanket statement.

A single punch is battery. A single genital grab is sexual assault. A single demand for quid pro quo sexual favors in exchange for professional rewards is sexual harassment. A single message asserting that an individual is not right for their job because of their gender creates a hostile work environment, and that's also sexual harassment.

Just because there can be cases where a single message does not constitute sexual harassment doesn't mean that a single message can never amount to sexual harassment.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by radioo75555 »

hycaria wrote: post #394
radioo75555 wrote: post #391

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Because women are weak and easily scared. They do not stand up for themselves. Look at the messages op received and how she did nothing but write about it and share her problem.

I guess that's sarcasm, and that's exactly my point !

No that is not sarcasm. Women are weak. Study show they do not stand up for themselves.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by bittercynic »

dpark wrote: post #368
bittercynic wrote: post #342

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In some contexts competitive back-and-forth insulting is a baked in part of the culture, and is mutually enjoyable. You're only a jerk if you can see that the other person is no longer enjoying it and you continue anyway.

You cannot see the person you’re insulting in an online context so you cannot see if they are “no longer enjoying it”. Engaging in such behavior means you’re a jerk. Trash talk is also not the same as engaging in trolling. Telling someone you’re going to kick their ass is perhaps reasonable trash talk in some cases. Calling someone racist or sexist epithets is not.

Even in text, it can be pretty clear when you've crossed the line and it's time to stop.

Please don't take my comments to mean that insulting/mean behavior is OK, though. IME many commenters across the web are far to quick to hurl insults in situations where they have no idea how they'll be received.

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