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Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by emodendroket »

Amezarak wrote: post #230
sofaofthedamned wrote: post #227

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See my other replies - PS isn't primitive but it isn't bash. Bear in mind I can administer any program on the system with bash. I can't do that with PS. There isn't that ecosystem where everything has systemd/init.d bindings, etc. Put it another way - if I was to start a new internet based company now i'd give everybody Chromebooks, use either GApps or O365, there would be a domain nowhere near it. Do you disagree th…

> Bear in mind I can administer any program on the system with bash. I can't do that with PS. What do you mean by "administer"? I can certainly launch applications, kill them, get various process properties, monitor it, etc. > There isn't that ecosystem where everything has systemd/init.d bindings, etc. System services are registered on Windows. Get-Service, Stop-Service, Restart-Service, Set-Service, etc all work fi…

I agree with this reply, but I'd also add that any program that you can run in Windows you can interact with from PowerShell, although it obviously won't be quite as nice as utilities that return CLR objects.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by AlphaSite »

suby wrote: post #79
Stranger43 wrote: post #18

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It's not just HP it's just about everything that comes out an retail store without an apple logo on it(unless you count itunes/facetime as unwanted software in which case it's just about everything). If you buy high end laptops from a business partner or directly from the vendor and make sure you get a pro(paid) version of windows things are better but the razor thin margins of the consumer market make it hard to avo…

If anyone wants a Windows laptop without bloatware, I think the best bet is through a Microsoft Store. They sell "signature edition" laptops which are supposed to contain Windows and nothing else. That's if the marketing is to be believed, anyway, I personally have never done this. On another note, I got an XPS 13 from Dell with Ubuntu pre-installed. As far as I could tell, the only extra software on there was some d…

Windows its self installs candy crush and other crap.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by emodendroket »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #191
emodendroket wrote: post #161

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There are several systems where your only option is Windows, unless the situation has changed drastically since I last looked into it. I remember Dreamcast, Saturn, DS, PSP, and PS2 being in this category, and also the options for N64/PSX not being very good, the last time I was interested. Of course, someone can respond to arguments about any program being missing with "well, I don't care about those," but you can't…

Dreamcast: https://github.com/reicast/reicast-emulator Saturn: https://yabause.org/ DS: https://desmume.org/ PSP: http://www.ppsspp.org/index.html PS2: https://pcsx2.net/ All of these are open source, support Linux, and have good compatability.

The situation may have improved, but the last time I tried this Yabause was a joke and the non-Windows versions of Desmume and PCSX2 were like a year behind and clearly not the main priority for anyone.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by emodendroket »

juliangoldsmith wrote: post #259
emodendroket wrote: post #168

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That, in itself, can be kind of annoying (interrupt all your downloads or whatever you are doing), and it doesn't get at the other issues -- having to run updates for both, having two incompatible filesystems where it's annoying to fetch a document from one and use it on the other, doubling the amount of setup and configuration you have to do, and so on. Every time I've set up a dual-boot system I've ended up just ne…

I agree with most of what the sibling post said, but the incompatible filesystems isn't much of an issue anymore. In my experience, NTFS on Linux works very well. Certainly well enough for any average user.

Oh, the last time I tried it it came with a bunch of disclaimers to never mount an NTFS filesystem as read/write on a hard drive whose contents you weren't OK with losing, but it's good to hear things have gotten better.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by derrikcurran »

There are so many accounts of Windows 10 being installed, (re)installing apps, adding tiles that were previously removed, etc. without permission... but none of it has ever happened to me and I don't understand why. It's bewildering. Maybe it's because I have Windows 10 Pro instead of Home? The only thing I've seen is that it's pretty aggressive about badgering me to restart for an update (but doesn't restart until I say it can).

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by emodendroket »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #216
emodendroket wrote: post #168

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That, in itself, can be kind of annoying (interrupt all your downloads or whatever you are doing), and it doesn't get at the other issues -- having to run updates for both, having two incompatible filesystems where it's annoying to fetch a document from one and use it on the other, doubling the amount of setup and configuration you have to do, and so on. Every time I've set up a dual-boot system I've ended up just ne…

> That, in itself, can be kind of annoying Of course, but is it more annoying than using Windows all the time? OP leads me to belive a growing number of windows users might think otherwise. It's also worth noting that rebooting is an order of magnitude faster than it was 10 years ago. > having to run updates for both Updates are a pain in Windows, but they are not in any serious GNU/Linux distro I have ever used. Thi…

> Of course, but is it more annoying than using Windows all the time?

In a word: yes.

I have at different points used Windows, Linux, and OS X as primary desktop operating systems, so I am not operating from a sense of total ignorance of what other systems are like.

My experience with Linux was that I needed to do far more configuration because lots of hardware wouldn't work right out of the box and needed a lot of tweaking and digging through Linux forums for someone with the same problem. I'm really not interested in doing that kind of thing on my personal computer anymore.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by emodendroket »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #223
psyc wrote: post #170

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Now explain to a not-super-technical user how to configure GRUB to boot Windows by default, or how to remove GRUB when they give up on Linux.

A not-super-technical user can learn to do these things. Is the liberty a free OS provides worth the effort to that user? That's entirely up to them. It's easy to disregard change as too difficult to approach, especially when coming from such a controling and abusive environment (Windows/OS X). In reality, GNU/Linux is so much easier to use than Windows; most people have simply learned the latter first.

> In reality, GNU/Linux is so much easier to use than Windows; most people have simply learned the latter first.

That just isn't true. But don't take it from me; here's esr: http://web.archive.org/web/20180109063613/www.catb.org/esr/w...

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by walterbell »

guelo wrote: post #190
walterbell wrote: post #86

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Is that why they will soon charge $49 for Windows Pro users to install Win32 apps (i.e. disable S mode)? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/windows-10-s-becomin...

I don't think your link says what you claim. The link says that users of Win S will have to pay $49 to upgrade to Pro. S is store-only mode, meaning it can't run anything that didn't come from the Store, whether it's win32 or otherwise.

Thanks. After another look at the articles linked from that one: the upgrade fee is from Pro S to Pro. There's no more Win S.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

emodendroket wrote: post #263
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #191

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Dreamcast: https://github.com/reicast/reicast-emulator Saturn: https://yabause.org/ DS: https://desmume.org/ PSP: http://www.ppsspp.org/index.html PS2: https://pcsx2.net/ All of these are open source, support Linux, and have good compatability.

The situation may have improved, but the last time I tried this Yabause was a joke and the non-Windows versions of Desmume and PCSX2 were like a year behind and clearly not the main priority for anyone.

I can't say I know much about Yabause, but Desmume and PCSX2 have worked quite well for me on Linux, no problems whatsoever. PCSX2 was last updated in December on Arch Linux, and Desmume is up to date with the latest stable release for all platforms.

With respect, you should be looking these things up for yourself before you make claims like the ones you've been making in this thread.

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