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Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by youseecomrade »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #231
youseecomrade wrote: post #186

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So basically you want me to setup dual boot, teach, offer free support for the rest of their lives, for every person that I know? Because that's the only group who could do what we are talking about. Or maybe you want me to convince them they should pay someone else to do that because Stallman was right. I'm sure some people are lucky enough to have friends and family who would accept your values instantly, learn the…

> So basically you want me to setup dual boot, teach, offer free support for the rest of their lives, for every person that I know? Do you handle all of their Windows-related technical issues? Are they incapable of learning to do it themselves? Really? Are you absolutely sure? It's all-too-common for people to become dependent on technically-minded friends/family like us, but the fact is that it really isn't difficul…

People don't want to feel dumb (or don't want to learn too much Computers so they aren't Nerds) so they find excuses and don't want to use anything "complicated". And good people don't want to abuse your time. That's my real life experience, maybe on the internet it's not the same.

For thinkers, problems are an opportunity to learn. Others, they don't see it that way, they want things to just work without making them think. If anyone you're trying to "teach" and "show them the way" ever loses money or have any kind of non trivial issue because "your linug broke my microsoft access" you'll be forever the guy that broke his computer. And he'll hate Linux forever.

"Yes nana, you just have to install linux-headers first"

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by thomastjeffery »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #137
thomastjeffery wrote: post #105

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Indented text in HN is monospace and respects newlines (no word wrapping). This makes it unreadable on mobile unless the lines are very short. The generally preferred way to quote on HN is to begin the line with a > and wrap the quote with * if desired. It's an issue that comes up too often that HN needs to fix, but here we are.

The reason HN does indented text that way is for code. People on HN post code snippets as a fairly regular thing, and having code snippets word wrap (or eat white space) is really confusing. The problem isn't that HN does that with leading space. The problem is that people use leading space for quotations, which isn't what it's for.

The problem is that there is no markup for quotes, so people try to fill the void with an indent, which gives the most obvious difference to text.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by urda »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #120
tjalfi wrote: post #112

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I use Windows 10 Enterprise at work and our image team had to specifically remove Candy Crush. It’s actually more annoying than that, the semiannual OS updates cause Candy Crush to be reinstalled.

This is very unprofessional. Sadly iOS suffers a similar fate with Bluetooth.

> Sadly iOS suffers a similar fate with Bluetooth.

What are you talking about?

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Mononokay wrote: post #67
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #12

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Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or something and you'll never be bored. Most professionals would have no problem using Linux for their needs. What applications are you suggesting aren't up to snuff?

Okay, Mr. Stallman.

"Okay, Mr. Stallman, you've successfully forecast everything that's happened in computing over the last few years, and done so literally decades in advance, so thanks for that I guess, but please take off the tinfoil and go away now."

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by majormajor »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #121
youseecomrade wrote: post #60

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The majority of people who could use Linux exclusively (only need a browser, don't need Office compatibility, nothing fancy) buy a "just works" Windows laptop or tablet and I bet 99% of them don't even know what Linux is. Even then you get some weird cases like banking software not working on Linux and they ask you to install Windows again. And kids wants to play what their friends are playing, it's hard to break the…

I'm getting sick of this dichotomy. It's trivial to install both. Keep windows 10 on a partition big enough for your games/Netflix/etc., and use Debian/Archlinux/NixOS/whatever for everything else.

If you're going to to claim it's trivial, maybe you shouldn't mention Arch in the same sentence. :p You don't want someone's first impression of Linux to be that.

Typing this from a laptop that has an Arch partition. I use it all the time for dev stuff. It sure as fuck wasn't trivial to set up.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by ChoGGi »

badsectoracula wrote: post #194
Sir_Substance wrote: post #163

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Autocad/inventor->OpenScad/FreeCad Photoshop->Gimp or just run it with wine Lightroom->Darktable Here's a few other pretty awesome art tools you might want to know about BTW: Krita Blender Inkscape If we're doing "what abouts" though, what about: freely interchangable desktop layouts native docker support a user-friendly terminal an os kernel that is designed to be malware resistant Like seriously buddy, the GUI desk…

> Like seriously buddy, the GUI desktop is now ~40 years old and windows /still/ can't support uninstalling the default desktop and installing your own. Actually, it is worse: you used to be able to replace the default desktop and install your own from the first versions of Windows up until recently. Now you can't and with Windows 8 Microsoft removed a ton of functionality when it comes to customization (e.g. you can…

>> Like seriously buddy, the GUI desktop is now ~40 years old and windows /still/ can't support uninstalling the default desktop and installing your own.

So these shell replacements I've been using for over a decade don't exist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_shells_for...

The only time explorer.exe is running on my computer is when I need some special control panel setting.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

ulkesh wrote: post #228

Hey Microsoft, also stop rebooting without asking. In fact, just stop automatically doing anything and let me choose to do it myself. Be more like Linux.

This doesn't work for a majority of Windows users, because when given the choice, they will never reboot.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by urda »

HenryBemis wrote: post #5

Windows 10 is a cancer. M$ removed the control from the user, and placed it to their money-hungry baboons. It was clear since 8 and 8.1 that M$ will go for the "app model", where you are no longer the administrator on your own machine 'for your own protection'. I hope they come around, or they will just lose all their tech-savy customers. I guess it's their turn to rip off their customers private-date/lives, just as…

> M$ removed the control from the user, and placed it to their money-hungry baboons.

Stop. You destroy your own credibility when you resort to childish behavior like that in a serious conversation.

Either make your point objectively with facts, or don't at all.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by thaumasiotes »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #121
youseecomrade wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of people who could use Linux exclusively (only need a browser, don't need Office compatibility, nothing fancy) buy a "just works" Windows laptop or tablet and I bet 99% of them don't even know what Linux is. Even then you get some weird cases like banking software not working on Linux and they ask you to install Windows again. And kids wants to play what their friends are playing, it's hard to break the…

I'm getting sick of this dichotomy. It's trivial to install both. Keep windows 10 on a partition big enough for your games/Netflix/etc., and use Debian/Archlinux/NixOS/whatever for everything else.

I've done it. It is indeed trivial to install both.

But nobody cares how easy it is to install both. Using both is a huge pain.

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