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Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #23
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #2

When you choose Windows, the computer uses you. When you choose Linux, you use the computer. Stop complaining and start switching. It should be apparent by now that Microsoft isn't going to stop their bad behavior.

I'd switch to Linux in the blink of an eye if I didn't have to worry about my games working. WINE is great and all, but it's still not 100% compatible.

Do you also own a PS3, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Wii, and a Nintendo Switch? Do you miss the exclusives on them? You'll survive without the handful of games you have to leave behind.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by wizbright »

unethical_ban wrote: post #19
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or something and you'll never be bored. Most professionals would have no problem using Linux for their needs. What applications are you suggesting aren't up to snuff?

Because the XBOX and PS and Switch are totally safe, open source products that respect personal information. Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows.

Even if a game performs better on PC, whose to say it isn't optimized? Some of Vavle's own games have performed better via the Linux build compared to Windows or Mac. It's also super sketchy to not be able to see what's fully happening in one's system.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by machinesmachine »

bsilvereagle wrote: post #20
falcolas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never that simple, especially for professional users and gamers. Those whose applications are only available for Windows. Sure, there are some open source alternatives, but they are only rarely as good, and even more seldom better, than their Windows counterparts.

> especially for professional users and gamers. Those whose applications are only available for Windows. I have gotten around this with a virtualized Windows installation for CAD applications. The Windows VM goes online for software activation only. With VFIO, a dedicated graphics card, and an nVME SSD I don't feel any performance degradation. The graphics card and nVME drive are passed directly to the VM. Some simpl…

I'm really surprised it works at all, great job man

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

#34

Post by da_chicken »

Bl4ckb0ne wrote: post #24
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd switch to Linux in the blink of an eye if I didn't have to worry about my games working. WINE is great and all, but it's still not 100% compatible.

How about contributing to make things better

Not every user is capable of being a developer for every application they want to use.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

pjc50 wrote: post #25
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or something and you'll never be bored. Most professionals would have no problem using Linux for their needs. What applications are you suggesting aren't up to snuff?

PS4 is also a closed ecosystem, far more so than PC gaming on Windows? Inevitably people end up with a requirement for some Windows program that trips up users or administrators in the workplace. Some workplaces (e.g. mine) are fully paid-up committed Microsoft shops where everyone has MSDN.

>PS4 is also a closed ecosystem, far more so than PC gaming on Windows?

Baby steps. I don't own a PS4 anyway, but I'm so tired of discussing Windows with people who whine about losing their games that I feel the need to specify an out.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by ThoAppelsin »

This isn't really an issue that goes beyond your first 1 hour on your new Windows 10 computer. You delete them, and then they are gone forever. They do not re-install themselves, they only come with a new user account.

They were annoying to me, only when I had installed the Windows 10 for the very first time, 2 years ago. I had several Windows 10 re-installations since then, and it really isn't worth nagging about them for the 30-45 seconds they steal from you as you remove them.

Besides, my housemate actually liked and kept some of them on his account. It probably really just does increase the overall customer experience.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

da_chicken wrote: post #34
Bl4ckb0ne wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about contributing to make things better

Not every user is capable of being a developer for every application they want to use.

Then donate however many thousands of dollars you were going to spend on Autodesk/etc licenses to Blender, Krita, Gimp, etc. Blender and Krita are competitive with their commercial counterparts and Gimp is getting there.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by Bl4ckb0ne »

da_chicken wrote: post #34
Bl4ckb0ne wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about contributing to make things better

Not every user is capable of being a developer for every application they want to use.

Giving a feedback or testing an app with a newer version is easy

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

#39

Post by falcolas »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #26
unethical_ban wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the XBOX and PS and Switch are totally safe, open source products that respect personal information. Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows.

>Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows. You can make an argument about the size of the respective platform's game libraries, but not about their performance. Games on Linux often perform as well as or better than Windows. There's no clear trend that suggests the performance of games on Linux are worse than o…

Many people use monitors with 144hz refresh rates. And increased FPS means you can turn graphics up, or enable more sophisticated anti-aliasing solutions, without impacting absolute performance.

Re: Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps on My PC Without Asking

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Post by giggles_giggles »

bsilvereagle wrote: post #20
falcolas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never that simple, especially for professional users and gamers. Those whose applications are only available for Windows. Sure, there are some open source alternatives, but they are only rarely as good, and even more seldom better, than their Windows counterparts.

> especially for professional users and gamers. Those whose applications are only available for Windows. I have gotten around this with a virtualized Windows installation for CAD applications. The Windows VM goes online for software activation only. With VFIO, a dedicated graphics card, and an nVME SSD I don't feel any performance degradation. The graphics card and nVME drive are passed directly to the VM. Some simpl…

What hypervisor are you using to do this?
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