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MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #6

Software patents shouldn't exist to begin with.

This is more algorithm than software isn’t it? and I suspect MPEG2 has had hardware implementations since day one - so I’m not sure it’s that clear cut. And frankly, at the time it was state of the art and I imagine requires significant investment. The patent duration is far too long though.

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #11
post #6

Software patents shouldn't exist to begin with.

This is more algorithm than software isn’t it? and I suspect MPEG2 has had hardware implementations since day one - so I’m not sure it’s that clear cut. And frankly, at the time it was state of the art and I imagine requires significant investment. The patent duration is far too long though.

> This is more algorithm than software isn’t it?

What do you believe the difference is? To me, software and algorithms are the same thing.

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #3

An obsolete movie format, but a large amount of stored media exists in this format so ultimately a win. I would like to say something to the effect of there being just a tiny bit less rent-seeking in the world today, but I'm sure by tomorrow the seeds will be planted for millions more rent-seeking opportunities in the future.

DVDs are still created and purchased all over the world, I don't think it's quite obsolete yet?

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post #7
post #3

An obsolete movie format, but a large amount of stored media exists in this format so ultimately a win. I would like to say something to the effect of there being just a tiny bit less rent-seeking in the world today, but I'm sure by tomorrow the seeds will be planted for millions more rent-seeking opportunities in the future.

Most digital TV broadcasts use MPEG-2, don't they?

MPEG-2 TS as a container, something more modern for the video/audio codecs.

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #6

Software patents shouldn't exist to begin with.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but why?

Because patents are not intended for mathematical principles or business processes, and that's essentially all software really is. Applying mathematical principles to the implementation of business processes and calling it "business logic" shouldn't magically create a new legal status.

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #6

Software patents shouldn't exist to begin with.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but why?

Patents were designed so that companies would contribute to public knowledge instead of keeping everything as a trade secret. The idea was that they would be afforded increased security for a few years, in exchange for the idea becoming public afterwards. The time range was set to be practical for the industry.

The problem is, over the past few years software has been moving way too fast for the standard patent timeframe. Patents on software last longer than it would take for a competitor to re-invent a trade secret: the result being that they actually slow down progression.

Ideally, we would adjust the term of every patent grant to match (or scale with) the difficulty that a competitor would have to go through to re-invent it. An approximation to that is having different patent durations for different fields (shorter for software), and an approximation to that is not having software patents at all.

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #7
post #3

An obsolete movie format, but a large amount of stored media exists in this format so ultimately a win. I would like to say something to the effect of there being just a tiny bit less rent-seeking in the world today, but I'm sure by tomorrow the seeds will be planted for millions more rent-seeking opportunities in the future.

Most digital TV broadcasts use MPEG-2, don't they?

DVB-T2 can use a variety of codecs.

From 2022 some European countries (Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovakia) will pass their broadcasting system to DVB-T2 with H.265. Since January 2017 new TVs must support HEVC decoding.

Sadly, no AV1...

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #6

Software patents shouldn't exist to begin with.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but why?

Hasn’t this been discussed to death? Since most algorithms are more or less pure math, there’s mostly only one way to do things efficiently. You also get quasi-standards that are copyrighted, which is not healthy for competition. Also MPEG2 at least has some work put into it, many software patents are ridiculous. Wasn’t there one for queuing printing jobs?

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #7
post #3

An obsolete movie format, but a large amount of stored media exists in this format so ultimately a win. I would like to say something to the effect of there being just a tiny bit less rent-seeking in the world today, but I'm sure by tomorrow the seeds will be planted for millions more rent-seeking opportunities in the future.

Most digital TV broadcasts use MPEG-2, don't they?

Yes, ATSC in North America generally uses MPEG-2 video, in an MPEG-2 transport stream (often with AC-3 as the audio codec).

There are provisions to use h.264 within that transport stream, but I'm not sure if any stations actually broadcast with that.

Re: MPEG-2 Patents Have Expired

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post #4

This is a striking example of the need to shorten software patents; if we really must have them at all.

Software patents are really an aberration crafted by decades of questionable court rulings.

As best i recall they started out as production process patents that involved computers to monitor and time.

Before that, specific instances of code were protected by copyright. And is what allowed Compaq to produce one of the first proper clean room IBM PC clones (because they could defend in court that they had not copied any of the IBM BIOS code), and thus leading to where we sit today.

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