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Re: In web design, everything easy is hard again

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Post by Can_Not » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 3:57 PM UTC

saas_co_de wrote: post #159

root_axis wrote: post #42

html, css, and jQuery work just about exactly the same as they did a decade ago, nothing stops you from using tools you already understand. If it was up to facebook then react would be the only framework used on the web; problem solved right? In reality, there are different tools for different needs and if you don't understand the specific problems a tool was made to solve then of course you're going to find it confu…

> blah blah blah The real problem here is that all these comp sci "geniuses" want to make a name for themselves with a "real" project and so they create all these garbage tools (compilers, pre-processors, etc) that make things worse by introducing and encouraging more complexity when just using plain JS would work better. A lot of them are Java/C++ people with no experience in web development who see the simplicity o…

> want to make a name for themselves with a "real" project

I think the ones doing it to make a name for themselves rather than solve a real problem are a lot less common than you're making it out to be.

Re: In web design, everything easy is hard again

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Post by eugene-s » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:34 PM UTC

bzbarsky wrote: post #315

codingdave wrote: post #125

There is a difference between web design and web application development. If you are a designer making brochure sites for small business, you don't need the modern frameworks and toolkits, and you are over-engineering it if you use them. Everyone needs to take a step back and ask why they are building a web site in the first place. My local hair salon really just needs a brochure, and maybe a scheduling widget. A doc…

I agree with your overall sentiment. That said, a doctor's office is a bad example. A modern one probably needs: 1) A brochure. 2) Scheduling. 3) A messaging system (sending email with health info is not HIPAA-compliant, obviously). 4) A way to look up lab results and whatnot. 5) On the back end, a way for the doctor to _enter_ the lab results. 6) Ideally a way to automatically generate and print out kids' vaccinatio…

7) Expect some kind of sync with Apple and Amazon medical data (as they are moving into the field http://www.businessinsider.com/digital-health-briefing-amazo...)

8) Some kind of permission system to add additional people who can track patients data (could be relatives, other medical specialists, etc).

9) Connection to social groups (or even communities). This exists for rare deceases and deceases that aren't strictly medical.

Re: In web design, everything easy is hard again

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Post by naasking » Fri, Feb 16, 2018, 5:52 PM UTC

machiaweliczny wrote: post #293

naasking wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> WebAssembly is not an attractive compile target for general web apps in the foreseeable future, it's going to remain a C/Rust thing unless it changes dramatically. How come?

It's too simple to support dynamic language features AFAIK.

So are machine instructions. It wouldn't be any harder to build a dynamic language runtime on web assembly than for regular assembly.

Re: In web design, everything easy is hard again

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Post by ann07cor » Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 3:04 PM UTC

codingdave wrote: post #125

There is a difference between web design and web application development. If you are a designer making brochure sites for small business, you don't need the modern frameworks and toolkits, and you are over-engineering it if you use them. Everyone needs to take a step back and ask why they are building a web site in the first place. My local hair salon really just needs a brochure, and maybe a scheduling widget. A doc…

I agree that complexity does not always justify itself. A lot of sites are stuffed with functionality that they do not need. I'm a web developer, and It's so frequent situation when a customer comes to and says that he wants to get nothing else, but nearly identical site to his competitor's site. And you see it, and .. omg, realize how you'll be writing these tonnes of code that have actually no use at all.

I think we shouldn't do design just for design, when there are more reasonable and simple solutions.

https://wezom.com/blog/small_website_optimize_on-page_and_mo...

Re: In web design, everything easy is hard again

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Post by OkGoDoIt » Sat, Feb 24, 2018, 3:14 AM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #42

html, css, and jQuery work just about exactly the same as they did a decade ago, nothing stops you from using tools you already understand. If it was up to facebook then react would be the only framework used on the web; problem solved right? In reality, there are different tools for different needs and if you don't understand the specific problems a tool was made to solve then of course you're going to find it confu…

Every job I've had in recent years has required I use an overcomplicated toolchain involving React or Angular. For personal projects I avoid them like the plague but unfortunately I don't have that luxury when working on a team at a company. Please, point me to any full stack web developer job listing that doesn't mention React or Angular!