AMP for email is a terrible idea • Hacker News Board

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by smeyer » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:27 PM UTC

mattlondon wrote: post #398

mankash666 wrote: post #207

I'll get down voted for saying this, but the HN crowd's hypocrisy is baffling. 1. Gmail is a channel that Google has under monetized for a decade. This is an opportunity for them to extract value from the said channel. If you're allergic to Google offering free services that use your data for advertising, go pay for email. Google isn't a charity and you aren't entitled to a Gmail of your choosing. 2. Apple is a prime…

> If you're allergic to Google offering free services that use your data for advertising Just as a reminder for everyone (and I appreciate that the parent comment does not directly claim that this is the case), Google claims not scan or read your emails in Gmail to show you ads, nor to sell your information to advertisers. Source: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6603?hl=en Just thought I'd point that out befor…

Also a reminder, Google has lied about this in the past. E.g. http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/3/23/alumni-lawsuit-a... .

That being said, I think it's probably true that they've stopped doing so.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by ksk » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:28 PM UTC

People who are unable to create a product and get someone to pay for it, take an existing product, reduce its utility and charge for the rest. Its like the airline baggage policy. This is stereotypical-MBA thinking.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by StavrosK » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:32 PM UTC

mstade wrote: post #400

StavrosK wrote: post #306

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Oh god yes. I have a few aliases and gmail was terrible with them. Fastmail is perfect.

I have lots of aliases. Anytime I sign up to anything, create an account on a site or otherwise hand out an email address it'll most likely be an alias. My pattern is basically @ . and this lets me ban an alias quickly if I find it's being misused (i.e. sold or leaked to a third party.) No need to deal with dodgy unsubscribe methods that probably doesn't work any way, that alias is just dead now. FastMail does this i…

Not only that, but Fastmail has native support for this. You can do alias@user.yourdomain.com or user@alias.yourdomain.com and it will be routed to user@yourdomain.com. Domain-wide, no-fuss spam protection.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by mancerayder » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:32 PM UTC

I'm paying for Google Apps for Business / G Suite. Does that make me more immune from these types of shenanigans?

Sincerely,

Someone who, when seeing something for free, reaches for his pistol.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by 0x29A- » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:43 PM UTC

Is this truly as terrible as the comments section here is acting like it is? More engaging email sounds somewhat interesting to me. Should it stay as stale as it is now? Maybe a few improvements for email development. A few standards here and there, maybe the ability to make use of css properly for once. I wouldn't mind some better looking emails that didn't require a bunch of images loading to be view-able or some improvements made to how emails are developed for those that do. Not that AMP solves that, but I'm happy to see the discussion on improving emails coming to light.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by taeric » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:44 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #392

taeric wrote: post #391

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For me, I confess paying for it has the risk of it being held hostage if I miss payments. Worse, my data can turn into leverage for increases price.

Which is why you should always choose a service which offers full access via standards-based protocols so that you always have the option of owning your own data.

Completely agreed. You should also not turn yourself into a hoarder of data just because you can. :)

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by kbenson » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 4:46 PM UTC

jackvalentine wrote: post #222

kbenson wrote: post #67

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Considering I did ISP tech support, including mail client setup, for a few years in the late 90's and early 2000's and never once encountered Lotus Notes, I think it may be like in kind, but nowhere near like in quantity.

Notes is/was typically used in corporate setups. I'm not sure any non-business user would have ended up trying to use it.

I would have thought the same of Microsoft Outlook (not Outlook Express), but those calls were fairly common. Perhaps Microsoft Office was just more commonly encountered outside a corporate environment.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by sbisson » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 5:01 PM UTC

AKA; let's reinvent Lotus Notes. I thought the last Domino had already fallen.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by sli » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 5:04 PM UTC

rident wrote: post #345

simias wrote: post #325

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I'm not sure I understand your point. You're projecting a lot, there's more to the world of computers than Google and Apple. At any rate you choose to buy into Apple ecosystem. A big email provider changing how email works is not the same thing. For the record I host my own email server and use mutt as my main email client. The only Apple device I own is an old pre-iphone iPod. If Google changes the expectations of e…

Falling into the 3-4 crowd myself I also agree with this. Changing emails - perhaps in an automatic fashion - to use AMP is going to do nothing but harm to anyone outside Google. Image inclusion the AMP way [1] alone will ruin HTML email for other services. If Google really wanted to improve emails they would push for full compliance HTML5 support. Because if emails could be built with grid layouts, content could be…

Amazing. That link is solid white with JS disabled.

Why does Google routinely refuse to display text unless JS is enabled? Their developer blog does almost the same thing.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by amdavidson » Wed, Feb 14, 2018, 5:08 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #392

taeric wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, I confess paying for it has the risk of it being held hostage if I miss payments. Worse, my data can turn into leverage for increases price.

Which is why you should always choose a service which offers full access via standards-based protocols so that you always have the option of owning your own data.

And why I regularly download backups of my email from Fastmail.

The only concern I have with them raising prices or disappearing entirely is the service interruption of moving my DNS to some other email provider.