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What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

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Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#231

No power plugs (I think most effective) & time limited Wifi. A cafe is not a coworking space although when beeing in USA or more specifically in SF I have the feeling people think it's the same.

> A cafe is not a coworking space

This is, of course your opinion. To me, a cafe is an ideal co-working space. It encourages deep thought, the chance to collide with other smart people in my industry, get out of the house, etc.

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#232

No power plugs (I think most effective) & time limited Wifi. A cafe is not a coworking space although when beeing in USA or more specifically in SF I have the feeling people think it's the same.

I usually use my mobile connection remotely, it is much faster than WIFI. Is using store provided WIFI really that commonly used?

It is. A lot of providers in the USA prevent people from tethering their phone to their laptop unless they pay an extortion fee.

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#233
You can't do anything. The future is one where everyone is soulless and dead and life goes on in a mechanical and unfriendly way, for example a cafe of people staring at their laptops.

Your best bet is to leave, because if you stick around and disturb the peace you're likely to find yourself in a bad way.

Seriously tho, people work in cafes to escape the idiotic banter of their offices. Let them have their peace. They're paying you aren't they?

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

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How common is it for people to do actual, regular, serious work at coffee shops and the like? I've tried a couple of times and I always feel like such a pretentious wanker when I pull out a laptop and start working on stuff, like I'm somehow broadcasting "oh look at me, I work remotely, aren't I special?"

People are different of cause, they have different types of jobs, and cafes are different as well. However; when I see someone with a laptop on a tiny little round cafe table, I assume that they just want to be seen, or if they're just setting up for an Instagram photo. Their 13" MacBook is often dwarfed by their huge coffee cup, how can anyone work in such crammed conditions? And the noise.... don't people need to t…

A tiny laptop works great for focused work. When I'm feeling scattered I take my X-series ThinkPad to the coffee shop and work until the battery dies.

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#235

Reading this is surreal, like Opposite World. You are selling me on quiet, wifi & power, at the price of your fancy coffee (and preferably even real food), so I can work/read/study in nice atmosphere. Why else would I tolerate paying nearly $6 for a latte and $5 for a muffin? If all I want is to get coffee itself and immediately hit the road, I can go to coffee stand or vending machine. "Your $3 coffee doesn't entitl…

Did you read the article? Coffeeshop owners are not open office landlords, they want to cultivate a cultural hub for the local area. Yes, to them conversationalists are more interesting than non-talkers, not to mention that it feels awkward to be the only one talking in a room of people not talking. If you want a quiet space with wifi and power, work from home, rent an office, or go to the library.

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#236

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You have to find the space that's compatible with your needs. Don't blame the no-laptop space for being what it is, any more than the laptop-friendly one. Perhaps its not just about spending money. A coffee shop is (by some people's ideas) a place for folks to socialize. Those other 'offenders' are socializing, so are compatible with those spaces. Sitting in silence at a machine makes for a boring space, which drives…

We can discuss what they are doing and also vote with our money. I'd hate to be kicked out of a shop because I'm reading a book. Or not talking. As you said: maybe it's their right to require socializing, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Well, except that laptops are a plague upon the industry. Its not in the same league as reading a book.

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

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So is this about sales or about the vibe of having a coffee place where people hang out and chat? I'd be happy to pay some money to work for longer than one drink at a cafe, but I don't really want to drink 5 coffees to work for a day.

A lot of cafes have good local juices, small snacks, or mineral water.

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#238

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This is called a coworking space ;)

Local coworking haunt (UK) is about £20 per day or more. That equates to about 10 coffees. Or 6 coffees, 1 soup and 1 cake. Which starts to make the cafe more appealing.

It makes the cafe more appealing because you're abusing it.

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#239

In the Bay Area: A big-wig at Starbucks walked into one of the stores and witnessed a teen with a video game station set-up. Few weeks later, all the outlets were removed in order to discourage people from staying and working. Even with the change, the place is still constantly packed with people studying/working

That seems counter to one of Starbucks corporate ideals, which is having Starbucks be your "third place."

https://www.fastcompany.com/887990/starbucks-third-place-and...

Re: What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?

#240

I like to work at coffee shops. Its true. But I don't blame coffee shop owners, especially in high-rent areas, for complaining about coffee shop workers. First, when they start a business, they likely have an idea of what they'd like to see it become. Running a place like a cafe isn't likely just a business proposition for them; its a cultural one. Maybe they like the idea of their cafe being a hub of social and cult…

Similar dynamic at the boxing gym I go to. The owner is a real boxing guy, but he knows the suburban moms and cardio/aerobics classes pay the bills. He's managed to find a good balance, training a few competitive fighters and putting on a few fights a year, but he could be making so much more money doing the whole volume aerobic/kickboxing model. We joke about the Title franchise gyms that have sparring rings for dis…

The true enthusiasts rarely pay the bills. For one, people really dedicated to a certain hobby typically don't have the money that the casual folks do. For another, they know the cost/value of the service.

People building their own gaming rigs aren't paying local computer stores' markup. Ski bums have cheap season passes, get way more than their money's worth, and pack a lunch rather than pay $20 for a cheeseburger; only tourists pay $120 a day for one-day-pass. And so on.

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