There's a place I often visit in Shoreditch called Ziferblat[0], and I think that they have something of a solution to this (they have other places too). Essentially, you are charged for your time and everything else is free. Presently I think it's about 7p per minute for the first hour, and then 4p a minute afterwards - there's also a cap. While in there, coffee, snacks, etc, are all "free". Perhaps this sort of mod…
This doesn't seem like it's a solution to the problem, it's just a different type of venue with the opposite problem. If I go in and grab a coffee and a crumpet they're not going to be very happy.
What to Do When Laptops and Silence Take Over Your Cafe?
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#182How common is it for people to do actual, regular, serious work at coffee shops and the like? I've tried a couple of times and I always feel like such a pretentious wanker when I pull out a laptop and start working on stuff, like I'm somehow broadcasting "oh look at me, I work remotely, aren't I special?"
I don't know the answer in general, so I can only offer the anecdote that "I do it." I work a day-job and am working on a side-project, and I visit a coffee shop / cafe environment usually 2 or 3 nights a week after the day-job to work on my project for a few hours. And I typically do the same for up to 8 hours on Saturday and maybe 4-6 hours on Sunday.
I've tried a couple of times and I always feel like such a pretentious wanker when I pull out a laptop and start working on stuff, like I'm somehow broadcasting "oh look at me, I work remotely, aren't I special?"
Interesting. Such a thought has never occurred to me. But I live in a college heavy area and visit a cafe that's near UNC, Duke and NC Central, and there are always plenty of people with laptops out. A lot are clearly students, but I'm pretty sure there's a decent number who are working professionals as well.
On the OTOH, despite the prevalence of laptops there, there are always plenty of tables with people who aren't on laptops and who are socializing in-person.
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#183Coffee shops has always been my favorite working places. Here in Niterói (sister city of Rio), I know basically all the coffee shops in walking distance from my home and their owners. We became friends after spending long long hours in their shops to the point that they routinely reach out to me and other frequent customers for opinions and health checks about their business.
I try to occupy a two-seat table if possible but in cases where none is available I will move to a larger table. I always buy coffee and usually something to eat, if I stay long hours, I try to keep ordering stuff every now and then. Sometimes I don't but since I go there multiple times a week, my orders average out as being a good customer they want to keep.
On my favorite place, which has the amazing name of "Dice'n'Roll Coffee Tales", they are a different kind of coffee shop. They have board games and comics, two of my passions, and attract a lot of "geek" crowd. They have a "pass" you need to buy if you're going to play games, there are multiple types of "passes" depending on if the game is theirs or yours, and if you pay a bit extra, all that amount of money is converted into food and drinks of your choice, so basically it is a commitment to buy food and drinks.
During weekends and Fridays, which are the times when the house is usually at full capacity, they ask that the remote workers also buy passes and if possible, group together in tables instead of one on each table. Mostly recurring clients are OK with this approach, those who are not, usually don't come back, but I have seen this happening only once. The pass we all buy costs USD 8 per day and all that becomes credit to buy stuff, so with that money, I usually get a couple coffees and one ice tea. Usually we all end up spending more than USD 8 at the end of the day and being grouped together on weekends makes for great networking (also every now and then, we pick a game to play).
All that story to tell one thing, that some coffee shops are about building community and getting people together. Not all places subscribe to the notion that you need $X customers per hour paying $M or we go bankrupt. I see these articles about coffee shops in New York that reduce everything to math. Let me tell everyone one advise, "if you do the math, you'd never open a coffee shop", those are really hard to maintain and keep afloat. I've seen dozen shops come and go, the ones that remain open are the ones that will make people welcome and cater to the remote workers, or groups of friends, or whoever wants to make those shops a part of their lives.
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#184This is such a bizarre stance. "Finish up what you’re doing and close the laptop, please" would have me leave a venue immediately and never return. In the UK the concept of people taking up space in coffee shops and not spending enough is not limited to people on laptops. You're just as likely to see an entire crowd of teenagers with one drink between them, or a group of mothers with pushchairs hanging about for hour…
You have to find the space that's compatible with your needs. Don't blame the no-laptop space for being what it is, any more than the laptop-friendly one. Perhaps its not just about spending money. A coffee shop is (by some people's ideas) a place for folks to socialize. Those other 'offenders' are socializing, so are compatible with those spaces. Sitting in silence at a machine makes for a boring space, which drives…
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#185And it depends a lot on culture / country / area as well. In Slovenia I have never asked as long as there were empty seats still available. It is common for people to hang at a place long after the last order. In my opinion it even adds to the atmosphere because the cafe or restaurant is less empty.
On the other hand I was in a group of 4 at a Tokyo cafe which was 90% empty and we were asked to make a new order or leave 30 minutes after the last order.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, and so I don't really believe that's what other people are thinking. But it's how I feel, and it messes with my concentration.
I think it a little. Never really "got" the whole thing I guess. I also wonder why does a supposed "remote worker" (for money, I presume) want to eat (literally) into their profits by spending money constantly at a cafe? My home would have to be a heckhole indeed... Or I'd have to be stricken with a loneliness so gnawing that I had to get out. Otherwise I'm perfectly content to have total control over a pleasant priv…
I'm not a full-time remote worker, but as mentioned above, I do work out of cafe environments quite often. Why? Well, in my case, I'm single, I live alone, and if the only place I'm ever at - besides my day-job office - is my apartment, I'd get really bored and go stir-crazy. For me, the cafe is a "3rd place". That is helped by the fact that I drink copious amounts of coffee.
Also, sometimes (as somebody else in one of these threads mentioned) there's something satisfying about being around other people, but not being required to interact with them. And there's something about the hustle-and-bustle / hum of activity in a cafe that is comforting. See, for example, how some people working in an office will put on a "coffee shop noises" audio track while working, to attempt to partially simulate that environment.
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#187I live in Knoxville, and we’re up to about 10 independent little coffee shops, with the bulk of them having opened in the last few years. Most of the owners don’t seem to mind people on their laptops, but then again, there is a university nearby so I’d say about 90% of people in the coffee shops are on their laptops focusing on school work. Most of my research in grad school was completed at these places. That said,…
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#188How common is it for people to do actual, regular, serious work at coffee shops and the like? I've tried a couple of times and I always feel like such a pretentious wanker when I pull out a laptop and start working on stuff, like I'm somehow broadcasting "oh look at me, I work remotely, aren't I special?"
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't paid-by-the-byte for 4G for about half a decade now. It's unlimited with my reasonably priced monthly contract (about $30USD/mo), from a mainstream provider in the UK (Three), lets me tether and gives me free data when I'm abroad too (I'm in the US and France a few times a year typically). I hope this doesn't sound too let-them-eat-cake, but I'm surprised that anyone with work-on-app-in-a-café-in-a-trendy-c…
Yes, I get what you're saying, maybe I just know a lot of tight-fisted people? I have one colleague who won't answer an email or whatsapp unless she's on free wi-fi somewhere. This is an extreme example but I know others who are not much worse.
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#190If I bought a cup of coffee at your shop and sat down, only for you to tell me that laptops are "not allowed," I'd be very unhappy with your store. Anyway, this is why coworking spaces exist.
Your $3 coffee doesn't entitle you to sit there for an hour though. If I was running a cafe, I'd expect that you'd be leaving within 5 to 10 minutes of finishing your coffee. The very few times I've worked in a coffee shop, I've done that myself. It's not a coworking space.
It seems if you don't want people to hang out, then don't have seating?