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Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by thomasruns »

antaviana wrote: post #185

Personal communications are gone from email. They now happen in Whatsapp. Gradually some one-on-one business communications are also moving to Whatsapp. If Whatsapp ever figures out business communications at large, email is practically dead. Excluding viagra spam, this means that nearly 99% of legit communications that are today received in personal email accounts are automated emails (transactional or bulk email).…

Living in the US I literally know 0 people who use or have ever used Whatsapp. That's not a judgement on their app, just a reality that in this country it's not something people use.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by erikb »

Someone wrote: post #40

Everybody had a computer that could run any program, but used only their web browser, so they made the web browser pretend to be any program, but then everybody had a web browser that could run any program, but used only webmail, so they made webmail pretend to be any program? Where does that end? Or are these ”engaging, interactive, and actionable email experiences.” more limited than the current web applications? I…

Another thread here summarized it quite well. All these expensive engineers need to do something. If it ends that would mean most of the employees have no purpose anymore.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by kuschku »

erikb wrote: post #190
kuschku wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to disagree on the topic of systemd. A lot of what it does definitely needed changing — although systemd implements that change suboptimally. Take the logind concept: In the past, Linux screensavers were simply a fullscreen window in front of everything else. They crashed? Your system unlocked. With logind, you have one tiny separate daemon that spawns your original X session, and the screensaver. As long as t…

This thread here is obviously the wrong place to roll out the systemd discussion again.

That's a good point, it's just sad to see people directly dismiss it.

Systemd is a lot of good intentions and ideas, turned into bad code.

AMP is one good idea (faster loading speeds) turned into not just bad code, but also lock-in and proprietary anticompetitive services.

There's no black, or white, only Greys on Greys.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by waldfee »

jacquesm wrote: post #105

Poor frogs. The water temp just got upped a couple of degrees. Too late to jump out or not just yet? Some relief for frogs that make it out of the pot: https://mailinabox.email/ https://redmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/ https://www.fastmail.com/

also https://runbox.com

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by dingaling »

jrobn wrote: post #96
marcell wrote: post #7

Good luck! I had the "pleasure" of working on HTML emails a few months back. It was unbelievably painful. Getting even a simple email to display consistently across a dozen different mail clients is a huge pain. This is why so many marketing emails use giant images for everything--it's the simples way to get consistent rendering. I predict whatever Google launches will work in GMail, and GMail only.

Sometimes I think e-mail should have just stayed plain text. No HTML renderers or other fancy stuff. Just type what you want to say and to whom and send. You know what does fancy marketing "e-mails" really well without all the horrid HTML hackery? It is RSS (or Atom).

If HTML e-mail hadn't been invented then the need would have been fulfilled by something else, particularly for corporate environments where formatting and marking-up e-mails is essential to communication.

For a while in the late 90s / early 2000s we had RTF e-mail.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by DogOfTheGaps »

tlrobinson wrote: post #122

> “For example, imagine you could complete tasks directly in email.” Pretty much the only task I ever want to complete from inside an email is “Unsubscribe”. I wish clients would make it easier. Gmail does has an unsubscribe button for some emails. It would be cool if it recognized emails I consistently ignore and prompt me to unsubscribe from them.

The Inbox App for Android does this.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by y4mi »

bsder wrote: post #187
pasbesoin wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it will supplant Duo and Allo, that were/are supposed to supplant (or augment, or co-exist -- can't we all just get along?) Hangouts, that was supposed to integrate SMS and MMS, but bollocks. Anyway, I prefer my email to remain immutable after initial transmission. I don't need another Snapbookthingie... Which reminds me, Google: You already hosed search results with your first... or second, or third, buzzzzzz...…

> You want "social" and "changing content"? Bring back Reader. But we can't blast you with ads via Reader. What's the point of that?

uuh, they could've. they just didn't.

its pretty easy to parse the content of an rss/atom feed and show targeted ads.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by Animats »

Is this only for gmail customers, or is Google sticking AMP links in outgoing emails?

That's legally risky for Google. They're not protected by an EULA if their outgoing email has hostile code and hits a non-Google customer.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by krrrh »

jacquesm wrote: post #105

Poor frogs. The water temp just got upped a couple of degrees. Too late to jump out or not just yet? Some relief for frogs that make it out of the pot: https://mailinabox.email/ https://redmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/ https://www.fastmail.com/

I’m a fairly happy fastmail user, and have been intrigued by ProtonMail. Has anyone made a switch between them or run both for an extended period of time?

I do like he idea of encrypted-at-rest, and the desktop bridge seems like a decent solution for syncing locally, but not having search on mobile seems like it would be a major drawback for my use cases.

An app I have always wished for is something that would store an offline indexed archive of my email on mobile, protected by passphrase and independent of any provider.

As an aside, what’s the deal with Redbox? I’d never heard of them and $650/a for 25GB makes it seem like their pricing matrix hasn’t been updated since the 90s. The stock photography doesn’t help with that impression.

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