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Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by ajmurmann »

xivzgrev wrote: post #76

I, for one, welcome our new AMP overlords. As a marketer emails are really limited. This opens up possibility of higher engagement and less friction for what you want Gmail customers to do. I work for a loan company - get a rate quote IN YOUR EMAIL! Customer saves time and I just cut 2 steps out of our funnel. The required coding and browser compatibility scare me a bit though. Nothing to piss off consumers than an e…

I'm not sure if this is a sarcastic comment or not. I don't want even more obnoxious emails from marketers. As someone else pointed out the only interactivity I want from email is unsubscribe. What you described is everything that's wrong with the internet and Google on particular. I don't want any needs marketers have to be part of decision making process for new web standards.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by rhizome »

makecheck wrote: post #31

Nothing says “we’re listening to your concerns about AMP” like rolling it out further to interfere with a function that is even less suited for AMP. Also, technology companies have a real problem assigning appropriate value to maintenance tasks that just keep things stable and usable. I’ve had infrastructure responsibilities over the years and the hardest thing about it was that nobody really knows or cares how much…

Google is bad at product.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by tyingq »

Spooky23 wrote: post #114
arca_vorago wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same way when you pay for cable TV you are the customer... not really.

If you live in a town where FIOS is active, you are magically a customer again.

Until they sell you off to Frontier. Frontier decided all the movies I bought from Verizon weren't mine anymore. No compensation, no apologies.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by kuschku »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #141

Because they didn't internalize the feedback from Wave well enough I guess. /s I agree with the article, email is email. But it points out something which is fundamentally a problem for the industry. Some software is done as in doesn't need to change any more. That is a scary place since all those Gmail engineers need to do something so if it isn't adding new things to Gmail what will they do? Interesting parallel in…

I have to disagree on the topic of systemd.

A lot of what it does definitely needed changing — although systemd implements that change suboptimally.

Take the logind concept:

In the past, Linux screensavers were simply a fullscreen window in front of everything else. They crashed? Your system unlocked.

With logind, you have one tiny separate daemon that spawns your original X session, and the screensaver. As long as the screensaver is active, that screensaver replaces the X sessions's display.

If the screensaver crashes, it gets restarted, or, if that fails, you get in a lovely TTY font "open a tty, login as your user, and type loginctl session-unlock".

And this is secure. If something fails, your session won't accidentally unlock.

Other features include an IPC protocol that allows per-message security — user A can send messsage type 1, but user B can only send message type 2 (although, did that verification language have to be JS? T_T)

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by kuschku »

jrobn wrote: post #96
marcell wrote: post #7

Good luck! I had the "pleasure" of working on HTML emails a few months back. It was unbelievably painful. Getting even a simple email to display consistently across a dozen different mail clients is a huge pain. This is why so many marketing emails use giant images for everything--it's the simples way to get consistent rendering. I predict whatever Google launches will work in GMail, and GMail only.

Sometimes I think e-mail should have just stayed plain text. No HTML renderers or other fancy stuff. Just type what you want to say and to whom and send. You know what does fancy marketing "e-mails" really well without all the horrid HTML hackery? It is RSS (or Atom).

Markdown support would be nice, though. GitHub flavored.

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by username223 »

JCharante wrote: post #97
cdolan wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always wondered - is there someone you can chat with or call for GSuite?

Yes. It was my first and only call with Google tech support. Noticeably outsourced, but competent after escalation.

> competent after escalation.

Was escalation as simple as "I would like to speak to a supervisor, please," or was there a more complicated incantation?

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by tejasmanohar »

ehsankia wrote: post #136
bdhess wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have the exact opposite opinion then. I moved to DuckDuckGo on iOS because I thought the AMP formatted Google search results were so user-hostile. Maybe they’ve fixed the bizarre scrolling and overly sensitive links by now, but I see no reason to find out, because I don’t feel like I’m missing anything.

It doesn't matter how you "feel", I know for a matter of fact, objectively and measurably, that my load times have gotten significantly faster, and that AMP has achieved what thousands of sites have failed to do. So feel free to call it names and bring up feelings, but what I care about is the actual objective experience I'm getting.

While I agree with your opinion that AMP is fast, perceived performance is certainly a thing. Read into it :-)

Re: AMP for email is a terrible idea

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Post by stevehawk »

exolymph wrote: post #131
jacquesm wrote: post #105

Poor frogs. The water temp just got upped a couple of degrees. Too late to jump out or not just yet? Some relief for frogs that make it out of the pot: https://mailinabox.email/ https://redmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/ https://www.fastmail.com/

Happy FastMail customer over here.

Fastmail is great. I'm going on nearly 10 years of service I think.
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