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Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Even before this, Australia still had direct person-to-person transfers. They'd just take a day, and required an account number and name. I've written about this before, but American is terribly far behind on this: https://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-i... The closest thing we have in the US is Zelle, which is not a government mandated standard (like ACH) but a private standard created by banks…

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Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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It just seems absurd that it should be so complicated and expensive to build a system which on a basic level is just about maintaining a large table of numbers (the ledger of bank account balances) and doing simple arithmetic on it. And I say this as someone who develops banking systems for a living. I think/hope the banking and financial sector in the future will be much more lean and optimized, both in terms of sys…

> on a basic level is just about maintaining a large table The most dangerous word in software development.

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Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Credit and debit card acceptance could definitely be better (even though I was doing all right in Berlin), but I don't agree about opening bank accounts: - N26: it took me literally 10 minutes. Identification via video chat. - comdirect: as far as I remember, I mailed them one 4-page form, dropped by the post office for the PostIdent and that was it. - Postbank (I needed an IBAN quickly while waiting for comdirect ;)…

N26 is the only one that has semi useful applications and web interface. My main problem with them is that they're first and foremost a startup, not a bank. Some issues I've had with them include double transactions, failed scheduled transactions, horrible 9-5 support, unable to unlock card because their web page was down for 24h. On top of that their security practices are horrible[0] >I mailed them one 4-page form,…

> My main problem with them is that they're first and foremost a startup, not a bank.

N26 has a full banking license.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/21/number26-is-now-a-true-ban...

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

#184

Even before this, Australia still had direct person-to-person transfers. They'd just take a day, and required an account number and name. I've written about this before, but American is terribly far behind on this: https://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-i... The closest thing we have in the US is Zelle, which is not a government mandated standard (like ACH) but a private standard created by banks…

From what I've heard, countries like Australia are often the trial place for systems like this. So it shouldn't exactly be a surprise or concern that the US doesn't also have these services (yet).

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

#185

Even before this, Australia still had direct person-to-person transfers. They'd just take a day, and required an account number and name. I've written about this before, but American is terribly far behind on this: https://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-i... The closest thing we have in the US is Zelle, which is not a government mandated standard (like ACH) but a private standard created by banks…

The US is in dismal shape compared to the UK and now Australia--And its pretty infuriating.

Although from what I understand on March 16th, 2018 the US will at least get same-day ACH. However, it will still be batch processed only two times each day--During banking hours no less! https://www.nacha.org/rules/same-day-ach-moving-payments-fas...

There is a NPR planet money on why the US has such an archaic system: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2013/10/04/229224964/epis...

Their hypothesis? Unsurprisingly, perverse incentives. Wire transfers in the US, which usually carry a high fee ($30) are very lucrative for banks so they don't have much interest in eliminating the need for wire transfers at the moment, but it appeared that there was growing interest in moving to real-time eventually.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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It would be interesting to see a line item breakdown of that bill. I'd wager Oracle got a good $50 mill out of it (multi year).

It's SWIFT based.

Actually the SWIFT mostly runs on Oracle Tuxedo. Not sure if this is the case with the instant transfer.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

#187

Even before this, Australia still had direct person-to-person transfers. They'd just take a day, and required an account number and name. I've written about this before, but American is terribly far behind on this: https://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-i... The closest thing we have in the US is Zelle, which is not a government mandated standard (like ACH) but a private standard created by banks…

Aussie here. I never knew that the U.S lacked this. We've had this feature for decades. Within the same bank, it's instant. Inter-bank it can happen the same day depending on the banks involved and when they run their batch processing. I always considered this a primitive system for not being instant.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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This sounds like the swedish product "swish" which is immensely popular. Nobody does bank transfers between people, everybody transfers to your mobile number. So far I think there are no fees for personal use, either, although they said it would come later a few years ago. Transfers are of course instant and you can see the recipients name before you send the money, which is a great pro compared to a bank transfer to…

Don't tell them about Swish' absolutely brilliant QR codes, let them think they've caught up! :-D

Don't tell us about litecoin either. In my circles, we've been doing this for half a decade.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Too bad everything else is abysmal when it comes to technology and payments in Germany. Most places don't accept anything besides cash for payments. Opening a bank account still involves a ton of paperwork. Official mobile apps, if they even exist, are horrible. Waiting for 2 days for SEPA transfer, even though it's usually technically done within hours. No realtime transactions for card transactions (even though the…

Credit and debit card acceptance could definitely be better (even though I was doing all right in Berlin), but I don't agree about opening bank accounts: - N26: it took me literally 10 minutes. Identification via video chat. - comdirect: as far as I remember, I mailed them one 4-page form, dropped by the post office for the PostIdent and that was it. - Postbank (I needed an IBAN quickly while waiting for comdirect ;)…

When I opened the bank account with the bank that now has my mortgage (in New Zealand), I was here on a visitor’s visa, and had literally been in a country only a few days.

I was able to open a bank account and get a card in 15 minutes. A few days later, I had a NZ tax number.

Since then this is my benchmark for ease :)

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

#190

Can anyone post a rough breakdown on how $1B can be spent to build such a system?

Look you "myki" on Wikipedia. This sort of thing is normal here in Australia. I assume it's corruption. So frustrating that I'm paying for all these this shit.
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