No, no, no. Google is trying to turn Gmail into a platform.
Seems like they didn't get the message with Google+.
Bringing AMP to Gmail
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Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#82I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
Why is it the only form? You can certainly run your own IRC or Jabber server or something. I don't understand why you think only email can be run top to bottom. Unfortunately email became stupid a long time ago. Partly thanks to braindead clients like Outhouse and partly thanks to Gmail. Remember when Gmail came out and they advertised "threads" as a feature? Yeah... we had threads before Outhouse et al. proliferated…
You can't have you IRC server and talk to another IRC server with it. I could still pull a BBS up but apart from FiDo, they don't talk to each other.
Yes, I know about Matrix - doesn't have critical mass yet. I know about XMPP, but most of the XMPP servers don't allow other domains to talk to them.
I agree with you on the dumbing down though.
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#83I’m curious, what you all think the future of email is? I am finding that I use it less and less each year. How much are you using it compared to previous years? - My friend communication is done almost strictly through messaging services - work communication is done through Slack and Jira (yuck) I feel like email for me has become this awkward auth-proxy. It’s how I magic link in, “confirm” who I am, reset my passwo…
Email are used everyday, especially at work.
The Google post mentions a report in which they claim that 270 billion emails are sent per day by 3.1B users, and usage is still increasing. Slack, with 6M daily users, is not even close.
Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#84I’m curious, what you all think the future of email is? I am finding that I use it less and less each year. How much are you using it compared to previous years? - My friend communication is done almost strictly through messaging services - work communication is done through Slack and Jira (yuck) I feel like email for me has become this awkward auth-proxy. It’s how I magic link in, “confirm” who I am, reset my passwo…
I use email every day. I'm not limited by characters. Sending an image doesn't cost a fortune. It's much easier to attach files like zips, and to extract them on the other end. What's the advantage of SMS? It just seems like a poorly stripped down email service, with more control from carriers.
I don’t SMS coworkers, I usually have slack threads or channels.
Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#85What really are the long term motivations for Google to promote and push AMP so much?
Get 'em hooked on something 'free', then monetize it. Rinse and repeat. Just like they are building a browser that only blocks the 'annoying ads', now they are designing their email to let advertising through. So much for 'don't be evil'.
Things can be both monetized and 'free' and I don't think it necessarily has to be evil simply therefore. What I'm curious about is how they intend/could monetize it?
AMP is afaik an open web format, what's the "get 'em hooked" part here? Is it just a defensive play against Facebook's Instant Articles?
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#86Jesus christ, can we pack it in with the hyperactive-web I just want to read a bit of text without the page screaming and dancing.
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#87For all the criticism of Google/Gmail/AMP at least the spec is open. AMP allows me to browse with minimal data.
The spec for at least one MS-Word format is open, too, but that does not mean I would like for every email sent to me through gmail to be in that format.
I interpret this announcement from Google as a sign that the default format for emails sent from gmail, which is now basically plain text (and HTML via MIME's multipart/alternative) will some day, when Google is ready, change to some complicated thing that requires the user to consent to Javascript's running on his machine before he can view his message, same as it is now for web pages.
It would be prohibitively tedious for me to persuade everyone who send me email through gmail to go into gmail's settings and switch the format back to plain text. And even if I succeed, Google has at its disposal various dark patterns, e.g., resetting the setting back to AMP every now and then (which please note would not be noticeable by the sender unless I tell him).
Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#88I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
Google/Microsoft didn't kill email, spam did. Google/Microsoft then salvaged from the abyss something largely similar to email, but with some limbs all but severed.
Spam put centralised commercial e-mail ( ISPs and web-mail ) into critical condition until the web-mail hosts reacted to save themselves.
But as for the little folk who are less of a target: I have run my own mail server for 18 years and can't imagine I've received more than 100 spams in total. And that is without any defences other than SPF.
ISP e-mail, well that is certainly spammed to death but probably for the best as it was only ever a hook to keep people trapped in sub-par services.
Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#89This looks like an an evolution of the action buttons Gmail has supported for years: https://gmail.googleblog.com/2013/05/take-action-right-from-...
Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#90I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
And yet I still use email because I am no longer inundated with spam thanks to the likes of Google and Microsoft. Without them I'd have given up on email altogether.
I don't use gmail but I have an email address from Microsoft (which is not m'y main one) : outlook.live.com does a good job filtering newsletters or promotionnal emails, or other terrible marketing practices, from individual ones, but it's not espacially performant when it comes to dealing with spam or scams. On this address I have a «please log in to your PayPal account for safety reasons blah blah blah» or «come buy our absolutely legal drugs to boost your performances» every three or four legit emails.